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Date Posted:04/14/2017 03:54:07Copy HTML

I was wondering if anyone has thought about if the percentage of beach or pool users who wear thongs is somehow associated with anti thong rules and laws?

First,is it the popularity of thongs on women, men, or both more important to people who want to stop thonging?  For example, are the anti-thongers content with women in thongs, but want to eliminate men in thongs, so they are forced to write rules or laws that apply to both sexes?

Second, it the popularity of thongs (either on men, women, or both) a factor in these rules or laws being created?  It is unclear to me how the percentage of thongs changed since their earliest availability.  Obviously, at first they were pretty unusual because of lack of supply if nothing else.  This would have been in the late 1970's, I am told.  But then their numbers increased in the 1980's until sometime between 1985 to 1990 or so.  After this, the number of thongers dropped.  I really don't care why (unless it was because people could no longer wear them because of rules or laws).  It is unclear to me if this drop for the men eventually stabilized, or if male thonging started moving up again recently or just kept going down.  (Obviously, the "Cheeky" swimwear and actual thong styles women are now wearing that first became available a few years ago, are creating an upswing in the percentage of women thongers.)

Now the important question.  Did the percentage of thongers influence the creation of the anti-thong rules.  Were the rules suggested and the anti-thong movement started when thongs were first introduced, or was it later.  Did anti-thong people panic when there were more and more thongs on the beaches and at the pools as the percentage of thongs grew and this was the root cause of their anti-thong efforts.  Or was it during the decline when they saw and opportunity to finally get rid of thongs all together when thonging numbers were lower and there would be lower resistance to their efforts.

Of course, there is also the possibility that the number of thongers on the beaches and at the pools had nothing to do with the anti-thong movement and they started their efforts without being influenced by how many thongers there were.

I ask these questions since I see a few places, like Western Canada becoming more and more anti-thong.  Would it really help if more people (like the Cheeky women) wear thongs to keep this anti-thong movement from continuing, or would greater numbers of people in thongs scare the rule makers into establishing more anti-thong rules and laws?

I also wonder if the places we are seeing and getting the "gender appropriate swimwear" rules are similarly affected.  I have been told (in emails) that this means men can not wear Speedos or skimpier swimwear (which are too much like a bikini brief) and women must wear tops.  This creative term permits gender-specific rules, regardless of gender equality.  Again, would more men in Speedos or thongs and more topfree beach and pool use by women deter the tend in this wording in pool and beach rules, or make them more likely to be created?

Of course, at some places the rules are enforced to the letter whenever possible, while others that use the same terms apply the rules only upon complaints or to penalize those people who push the limits with too much exposure.  I think sometimes this selective rule enforcement is used to get rid of single male thongers who some people see as an issue.

sailor250 #1

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:04/15/2017 02:01:32Copy HTML

 It could work both ways.  If some people in authority see more of what they don't like they'll make rules/laws to outlaw it- whether it's thongs or gay people or muslims.  If there are more of what you like then you'll gravitate there-- like thongs to Miami Beach!The key to the surge in popularity of thongs is they're not called thongs!  cheeky bikinis, teeny bikinis , cheeky suits etc...the wearers will probably agree if you ask if that's a thong but that's not what they thought they put on
cmp304 #2

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:04/15/2017 03:47:51Copy HTML

 I agree that it could work both ways and like everything else it depends on context and perception..  In many cases it was something more than simply tanning and swimming in a thong that precipitated the rule.  For instance commercial vendors wearing thongs to attract business  was one contentious topic.  Perhaps intoxicated displays of thong wearing as dares or pranks.  Most importantly is the incorrect association of thongs with sexuality/erotic situations - so to curtail lewd or indecent behavior on beaches the thong gets banned because the person(s) doing something inappropriate were wearing thongs at the time.  I just think that going to the beach like everyone else and doing what everyone else does in a swimsuit, thong or otherwise is a positive step.  I also strongly feel that rights are accompanied by responsibilities and we must respect others.  Which is why I will wear my thong on  the main beach area, but I will not invade someones family reunion, wedding reception, church picnic, etc.   This just isn't a thong issue - I wouldn't make them listen to my loud music, smell my cigarette smoke (I don't smoke) or watch me drink my beer, etc.
Nuwalket #3

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:04/15/2017 02:29:12Copy HTML

 I have to admit that in my travels there have been no notices in pools except "Appropriate swimwear" which I took to mean no street clothes. In fact I did wear a thong n the hot tub at the last hotel we stayed.  But I will admit that the place was empty, it was late and there were very few people staying at the place. I have not seen any rules that mention "No Thongs" as a policy and I think many of us assume that "Family friendly" automatically means no thongs!
Going back to the early 70's Mary; you'll have to realize that many of us guys swam nude at the YMCA and even some schools. The thinking then was that it was healthier to swim nude plus the fibers from suits would clog the filters.  I'm sure many (myself included) were kind of upset when things became co-ed and we HAD to wear suits. So going from nude to a thong was the next best thing. My recollection is that it seemed like overnight we went from minimal to maximal swimwear! Somewhere near the 90"s we were on vacation with our tens when it seemed all the guys suddenly started wearing those board shorts! 
As my father was known to say, "Money talks, BS walks". If it were found by those powers that be that restricting bathing suit choices was hurting their bottom line things would become more relaxed. Sailor250 stated it perfectly, the more we gravitate to places the more other places will lose out. In other words our bottom tan line will make or break their bottom line!
ithongit #4

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:04/16/2017 05:59:42Copy HTML

 I think shutting out thongers does hurt a businesses bottom line (pun intended).  But this probably would not be too great of a financial hit.  Lets take a really good day when there are a high number of thongers.  Lets be optimistic and say thongers represent 20 percent of beach goers.  In the worst case, this would mean a 20 percent decrease in revenues if thongs were restricted.  But a more realistic number -- maybe only 3-5 percent would cause a much smaller effect.  Now if you also assume that restricting thong swimwear will increase the number of families by lets say 10%, (which I think is optimistic) then with a low number of thongers, the restriction makes financial sense, but with a large number of thongers, the restriction would only cut into profits.  This of course also assumes that thongers and non-thongers would pay the same amount to the beach.  If for example, thongers often purchased food and drinks from concession stands while families usually brought coolers, the thonger would be a more profitable customer.  Likewise if there was some type of pay-for-use item like paddle boats or slides, and these appealed more to the family type customer, then they might be the more profitable customer.  Obviously, the profit or loss issues around a thong restriction are quite variable and would also change from establishment to establishment.

Randy has ask about the "new cheeky" swimwear when he confronts places that do not permit thongs.  Most places say they don't restrict them "yet" and they don't know what they will do if more women (mostly young women) decide to wear this type suit.  Here rule enforcement which could prevent 25% of customers from using the facility would be devastating to there income.  At issue is will they continue to simply look the other way when a woman wears a thong, since they are popular and people are not generally objecting to them,  Or do they actually change the rules?  They must also decide how to handle men who want to wear thongs if they permit women to wear them either by ignoring their own rules of by elimination of anti-thong rules from their establishment.

If you want to have fun, e-mail some resort that does not permit thongs.  Send out e-mails from two different accounts and ask about thongs from two different perspectives.  First, write as if you are against thongs and say you will not use their facilities if they permit thongs since you find them totally inappropriate for a family destination.  Nine times out of ten, they will agree with you and say proudly that they do not permit thongs.  You can even take this a little further and say you object to thongs on men.  Most places will say they don't permit thongs on anyone.  Then write them again a few weeks later, using a different e-mail address and say how you hope they don't restrict cheeky swimwear since your girlfriend (or you if you are a girl) wear them all the time and would only go someplace where they are permitted.  The management will usually say something like since they are mainstream, they are okay.  You can even write back and say some are more of a thong than a cheeky swimsuit, and again they will say they are accepting them now, as long as they are not too extreme.

We have twice run into places that use the term "gender appropriate swimwear".  If you ask for clarification, this means women can wear cheeky swimwear or even thongs, men are expected to cover mort than a thong -- usually at least a Speedo, but some  places even say they are too skimpy.  They also use this rule to limit topfree pool or beach use to men only.  I think as more and more women wear more and more revealing swimwear, this phrase will become the "family friendly" phrase of the future -- politically or legally right or not.
cmp304 #5

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:04/16/2017 12:53:44Copy HTML

 We as the thong wearer have quite a bit of ability to shape opinion.   I've worked with the public my entire career and the people who start a movement to ban (or legalize)  anything are actually a very small minority that have a very strong opinion.  They devote time and resources to gain support for their view and really only succeed in their lobby efforts when something happens to precipitate public opinion.  Basically they are waiting  for a chance to capitalize on their opposition "shooting itself in the foot".   Regardless of the topic, these folks have a rigid opinion and there is no way to significantly change that.  But by preventing "critical mass" their efforts can been kept in check. 

I only go places where I know that thongs are entirely legal.  So I do not need to worry about being fined, arrested or asked to leave.  Second I only wear thong swimsuits.  This has nothing to do with coverage - I typically wear g-strings adjusted to the smallest possible coverage - but it does mean that I choose colors that show up from a distance so people know I'm not nude, materials that are not see through and a fit that keeps everything contained and covered.   And I behave like any other mainstream, middle aged beach visitor would behave on a public beach - I read, tan, swim, smile, pick up trash, speak to others if they are looking at me as they walk by, etc.   There is rarely a day that I do not find myself talking to several different people and what I'm wearing may be the start of the conversation but it is rarely the focus, 

I do not hide out in a fringe area, constantly look to see if someone is walking my way, cover up and uncover OR actively intrude on another's space and try to "show myself off".  So while most people don't even seem to notice me, those who do apparently just assume that everything must be okay.   They have no reason to associate my g-string with anything other than a respectful person getting a nice tan.  That is the message I want to send.

Regardless of what we call them, if swimsuit styles become skimpier I don't think there will be any change in swimwear policy, unless some behavior that people find undesirable becomes associated with the skimpier suits
Grabeach #6

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:04/16/2017 11:09:35Copy HTML

Fortunately in Australia, beaches don't have laws / rules regarding thongs, and everybody knows that. It's a non-issue.

Pools are a different situation. With only one exception I can think of, the only thing in writing relates to, "[adjective] swimwear must be worn". The public has always had a perception that thongs / g-strings are not allowed, though in the case of female thongs this has been decreasing recently with the advent of the briefer cheeky styles. From talking to a few lifesavers, there appears to be a 'policy' that g-strings (and topless) are not allowed, but it is left up to the lifeguards to police it. In reality this means that both are okay until somebody complains.

At this point divergence between male and female occurs. With females, it has always been acceptable for a woman to wear a thong at the beach or as underwear, so as they wear less at pools no-one complains, so more wear less. It will reach the point, possibly already has, where a complaint about a women in a thong will be ignored. No-one is not going to come to a pool because women wear thongs there.

Males, however, have never had the general acceptance. Let's face it, while they are not worried about it enough to complain, the majority of the population will always think men wearing thongs anywhere is a bit odd and few men will ever be prepared to do so. Hence a man sunning in a g-string at a pool is likely to raise the occasional complaint.  They will be asked to "cover up". If another guy wore a thong, all this would do is double the number of potential complaints. The hard fact of life is that the most likely result of more guys thonging at a public pools in Australia will be more complaints and the tighter policing of the existing 'policy'.
bmicro #7

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:04/22/2017 12:08:02Copy HTML

 I suspect that there is a relationship, but not a linear one. When thongs are beginning to be worn in noticeable numbers, the fashion police may kick in, find a threat to public morality, and start campaigns to make them illegal. When the percentage is low and starting to rise, the phenomenon described by Mary may kick in. When the number of thongers, or potential thongers, increases enough, it then becomes an economic issue and starting anti-thong campaigns becomes a non-starter. This is the case on South Beach, for example, where there are so many European tourists that banning thongs would be strongly opposed by the hospitality sector, as well as the recipients of their tax dollars. The same is true for nude beaches, like Haulover, where South Florida Free Beaches makes the argument that "Haulover Beach has about 1.4 MILLION visitors each year, bringing in over ONE BILLION DOLLARS to the local economy" 
ohiothonger #8

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:06/11/2018 04:01:48Copy HTML

Places where swimwear is worn especially those that are private do need to juggle their thong acceptance with what the general market wants.  Because "the squeaky wheel gets the grease", and anti-thong sentiments tend to be held by those who might speak up or argue more than those who have no issues, thongs in the past were often not favored and in may cases simply not permitted.  There has always been a sort of in between level of enforcement.  This has resulted in the thongs can be worn "unless someone complains" type vague rules.  One of the worst was "permitted at the discretion of our staff".

But I am starting to see two things happening which should be noted.  First, with the current women's swimwear going cheeky, sometimes to the point of actually becoming thongs, there seems to be less of an emphasis on  what is acceptable on women.  Trying to make an even illogical argument against thongs on women with today's swimsuit styles seems as silly as trying to get women to cover their midriffs.  
I am not saying that all places have embraced the cheeky/sort of thong/real thong look being promoted by today's market.  But it seems many places have eliminated the pressure on women not to show any of their tush.  

The second factor is that I am seeing some places now applying gender correct rules about thongs.  "If a woman can wear a thong, why can't a man."  Again, not all places follow this philosophy, but the spirit of equality that used to be only mentioned one-on-one between a thonger and someone else is now being applied at some establishments.  

A very limited number have also taken the stand that topfreedom should be available equally to both men and women as well.  I will not try to evaluate why these trends are occurring, but thought it might be a good topic to cover.
NudeNArizona #9

Re:Does percentage of thongers influence thong rules and laws?

Date Posted:11/28/2018 04:35:37Copy HTML

Prior to getting married my wife lived in an apartment complex in Las Vegas and I went to visit her for a few weeks and during the week while she was working i went to the pool alone which was usually just me and maybe a landscaper or two working the grounds. On the second day of my visit I was confronted by a lady who worked in the condo management office about my G-string and she gave me some BS that it wasn't "appropriate swimwear" and that I had to wear something with more coverage. So i told my wife after she got home from work about the incident, so instead of confronting the management office she decided to contact a few of her friends who lived in the complex who she had previously hung out by the pool with wearing thongs and ask them to join her at the pool. The same lady who confronted me was still working and saw 4 residents join my wife in thongs as I wore a pair of board shorts and nothing was said, but when I removed my shorts she came out and said I had to cover-up and this was when one of my wifes friends ask why? Then she mentioned that there was nothing saying thongs were prohibited and that if females could wear them why couldn't males. to which we got a blank stare and the lady walked away and nothing else was said.
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