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sunbaked #151

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:05/08/2005 01:58:17Copy HTML

Craig  dont you find it strange that this compnay showed up twice without making an appointment? What would they have done if no body was home?  Perhaps the last lady came because the guy before her said something and she wanted to see for herself.
azcraig #152

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Date Posted:05/10/2005 09:53:56Copy HTML

Sunbaked.  You might be right but they showed up unannounced, late or not when they said they would throughout the whole process. So who knows. By the way she acted though I don't think she was very impressed by what she saw so I am not convinced her trip was anything other than a follow-up.

I have my diesel fired pool heater running to get the water up to temp so hopefully we can use the pool this weekend.  Last year all of the group did a contest to guess the first day that it would reach 100 degrees.  We did not do that this year but everyone would have been way off. Here it is approaching mid May and no triple digit days in sight.  It often gets inot the triples in March. So it has been a really mild spring.

The grille is gassed up and the water is warming. Looking forward to getting together with the group for a nice day of enjoying the Arizona sun.

azcraig #153

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Date Posted:05/15/2005 11:46:05Copy HTML

Sunday was supposed to be our first triple digit day of the year (didn't mkae it) so we had some folks over for our first pool party of the year. It is mid-May and not 100 yet. WOW. I had been running my diesel powered pool heater so the water was at 88 degrees and out new pebble tech pool sure looked inviting.

First to arrive (as usual) were Ann and Larry. Ann was wearing a yellow and orange print very very small thong with a very small triangle top. Larry wore a 1/2 side speedo cut suit. Paul and Marci came in Paul wore a black thong and Marci was wearing a very tiny red thong. She has worn this before but I am not sure if I described it. The top was a triangle top.... The red triangles measured about an inch and a half or so. And then from each corner of the triangle was red string that went out to a larger red string triangle, probably about 4 or 5 inches, that went around the oudside of the inner triangle.   Jean and I were in matching royal blue microkinis.

When Paul came in he said something about they were closing off the street as he was coming in. I went out front to look and noticed no traffic. I had forgotten how quite it used to be a few years ago when our street was that way. I could see them doing something down the street and it did appear that the street was closed. I stood there looking for a couple of minutes and the others came out to look too. Everybody was standing out looking down the street except Larry. A couple cars from the immediate area drove by with everyone in their swimsuits. One guy drove off the road and he about broke his neck checking us out.

We went back and got inot the pool and enjoyed the afternoon. I was a beautiful day. Sunny in the high nineties.  Paul and Marci said they had moved (again) and were now living in some town homes in Scottsdale. Paul told us that he and Marci went to the pool last week on Saturday. They both wore rio cut bikinis and had no problem. They went back on Sunday and this time Marci wore a thong and still there was no problem. So they invited us over to their place next weekend. I guess we will gather there next Sunday. Might be in the 100s by then.

As I think about the bottom that Ann wore it makes me wonder... when does a thong become a G String? And, what is the difference by definition between a thong a G?

 

nicthong #154

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:05/16/2005 06:26:57Copy HTML

"As I think about the bottom that Ann wore it makes me wonder... when does a thong become a G String? And, what is the difference by definition between a thong a G?"

My understanding is simply that a g-string has a string back (only string) where as a thong involves a triangle (however big or small) of fabric. [There are some further variations such as a Y-string - g-strings are literally T-shaped whereas y-strings are Y-shaped - or a delta-string - where a triangular shape is formed by three string sides.]

Thanks for continuing to chare your stories, Craig. Some of us can only dream of having a group of thonging friends, a pool and sun so it's good to read about others' experiences!

thongpwr #155

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Date Posted:05/16/2005 12:44:49Copy HTML

Another fantastic thread although this one is getting a bit too long as well meaning it's getting harder to follow.

Azcraig, maybe a good time to start a new one? We sure enjoy these!

azcraig #156

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Date Posted:05/16/2005 01:39:24Copy HTML

Hey nicthong thanks for the explination. I was getting what you were saying until you tossed in all of the string variations. But if I have this right it is all about how the strings are attached at the connecting point in the rear. It sounds like if at that point there is anything more than string it is a thong.

Thongpwr.  I think this thread is about to turn the page again to page three so that should make looking at the last page a little shorter.

azcraig #157

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Date Posted:05/16/2005 01:58:39Copy HTML

While I was making the above response Paul called to tell me that he a Marci had just returned from the monthly home owners association meeting. I guess this is something that happens every month to keep the people informed and whatever else they might do there. Anyway, Paul said that during the meeting they reminded everyone the summer heat is coming and went over the pool safety rules and talked about watching kids, being thoughtful fo the others using to pool area etc. Paul went on to say that at the end the topicf proper attire was brought up and defined. Paul told me that he a Marci looked at each other thinking oh no, here we go. The person conducting the meeting went on to tell everyone that they should try to avoid carrying a lot of stuff with them to the pool area and that shorts or a towell as a cover up is good because it gives you less to keep track of. Then they told what you could wear to get into the water. Paul told me he knew they were dead because of what they had worn to the pool last weekend. The person then went on to say they do no allow cut-offs, walking shorts, T-shirts or swim fins in the pool. You can only wear swimwear when in the water.  I guess that someone asked if a thong is swimwear and they were told yes. Then Paul told me that a discussion came up (that Paul and Marci did not participate in )to talk about what is appropriate and what is not in some peoples eyes. The bottom line came out that what ever is legal in Scottsdale is acceptable at the pool. So Paul and Marci came away from that meeting with the clear opinion that thongs are indeed ok at their pool.  Paul told me that they were shocked that the HOA took that stand. But, that opens up the door for us to visit next weekend.
rock1212 #158

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Date Posted:05/16/2005 02:54:06Copy HTML

Craig, the people in that HOA are being smart in saying whatever is legal is Scottsdale can be worn, because they do NOT want a lawsuit! And these days, everyone wants to litigate!
nicthong #159

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:05/16/2005 06:58:15Copy HTML

Hi Craig. Sorry to confuse you - I really didn't mean to! Yes, a g-string is just string (sides and back) whereas a thong involves a bit of fabric at the back. Don't worry about the other styles I mentioned as they're not as common. Perhaps I need to create a 'thong dictionary'! lol!

Good to hear that Paul and Marci's HOA took the stand they did. If only that was true of all pools!

[Tip to people finding this thread too long: from the Personal Experiences content page, click on page '2'; once this page has loaded, hit the 'End' key on your keyboard and the page will jump to the bottom; then you can find the latest posts much quicker. I hope this helps for those of you who are tired of scrolling all the way down the page!]

azcraig #160

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Date Posted:05/16/2005 11:30:07Copy HTML

Hey Nicthong. Thanks for the short cut instructions. I knew to click on the 2 in the main haeding but didn't know about the end key. I always scrolled down. Your approach makes it a 2 key quick find deal.
sunbaked #161

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Date Posted:05/17/2005 10:20:18Copy HTML

Craig sounds like things are comming to life again for your thonging friends. I love reading your listings. I have been trying to work my way to your level. Now I am getting some resistance from my wife. When I wear one of my NuParr suits out front she tell me I should not do that because the neighbors are saying things. When I went to go out on Sunday she asked me not to go out there in that. She said she liked them at first but now I dont know. I have been watching on here where the thong freindly beaches are in California and it seems southern Cal is the best. I am thinking we will go to the San Diego area. I was hoping to go thonging on the beach but I will have to wait and see how my wife reponds.
Thong Kong #162

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Date Posted:05/17/2005 10:59:29Copy HTML

Take her to Black's Beach first to improve her comfort level. If she won't go nude, don't push her to do it, but just seeing other people in the nude (probably less attractive than you are) might make her more comfortable seeing you in your thongs on a normal beach later.
azcraig #163

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:05/18/2005 11:13:28Copy HTML

Sunbaked   Maybe things are moving too fast for her to adjust to. I think you have said you have thonged in your backyard before. Here are some things to consider:

How did she feel about your thonging in the backyard?          Have you ever thonged in front of other people when she was around?    How did she react?   Does your wife wear thong swimwear?      Is this something (not wearing skimpy swimwear in public) she feels extremely stongly about, or is she just concerned?   And are her feelings being driven out of     a. comments from others   b. embaressment    c. shyness    or  d.  a moral issue?

Depending on the answers to the questions above,  you may have to make a tough decision on how, or if to proceed.  Not everyone can accept wearing so little.  You can hear coments like,     its just not right,  it leaves nothing to the imagination ,  people should not wear there skivvies out in public,   your sick,   you don't see anybody else running around half naked do you,  and I am sure there are lots more.

If she is not just totally outraged at your choice of swimwear coverage, maybe she needs the in stages appoach too.  Perhaps wearing one of your more moderate cuts of bikini for a while may soften the blow. Occasionally go walk out front for just a moment and then come back, etc. she might become accustomed to it.

Life has not always been as easy for me as it iis now.  When I lived in a standard neighborhood prior to where I am now, things were less forgiving.  My neighbor to the East wood go in the house every time I came outside wearing a speedo.  And that was as brief as it got over there, but that is a whole other story

Thing is,  don't offend anyobdy or make them mad that you are trying to pursuade. That usually has the effect of sending them farther the other way and is very counter productive.  Good luck and I hope you figure this out and I hope my posts on here have not generated a false hope.  Not everyone will be able to enjoy the luxury that I have, and the way that I have in enjoying the Arizona sun.

 

 

azcraig #164

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Date Posted:05/21/2005 02:53:33Copy HTML

Well it finally is summer here. It was about 8 today and maybe 12 tomorrow. We haave learned not to preceed the tem with "one hunred and" because twelve does not sound as hot as one hundred and twelve. Anyway we will be gathering at Paul and Marcis new place and is hould be a nice day for being poolside.
azcraig #165

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Date Posted:05/22/2005 12:21:08Copy HTML

Spent a toasty afternoon at Paul and Marci's. I don't know how hot it got but did not feel like it made it to 12 that the last forecast was saying. We all gathered at their place and then went down to the pool. Jean and I wore matching red rio cut botttoms and Jean with a moderate triangle top. Larry had on shorts, Ann a standard string bikini.  Paul wore a black rio cut bikini and Marci revealed a thong when she took her wrap off at the pool. We spent time in and out of the water soaking up some rays and just BSing. Nothing was said about what any of us wore except Paul asked my why I did not wear one of my smaller suits. I told him I did not want to offend anyone and did not kow what the atmosphere would be. I told him I didn't want to be responsible for getting him thrown out of his house.  We both laughed.

There were only about 6 other people there,.seems it was too hot for most.  Guys in swim trunks girls in two piece suits. We had been there about an hour when two other women came down. I am guessing it was a mother and daughter. The daughter looked to be in her late teens early twenties. When they took off their shorts the daughter was wearing a bikini and the mother a thong!! Who would have figured. I heard her tell Marci, it looked like you needed some company so I figured I would come down. Her and Marci chatted for a while.

To put things into perspective,  Ann is very petite, about 5'10" and about  110 to 120 pounds (i am guessing). Marci is a big girl. She would be the linebacker on the girls football team. She is about 6' and maybe 180 pounds. Because her and Paul work out, hike, mountian climb, and ride bikes, they are in really good shape. Marci is very muscular, not to the point of body builder status, but very solid. The woman that came down with her daughter was about 40 or so and average build. Her thighs and buttocks were just barely cottage cheezy. Her tan indicated that she must wear a thong often. Actually her thong was more like a tonga. The triangle part in the back was about 4"X4".  Paul and I were the only guys with less than trunks on.

We were there a couple of hours before we retreated back to their place before heading home. I was very surprized at the outcome of the afternoon. We didn't see any young children there and did not ask but I think that might be an adult community. Although G strings might be inapropriate, it did seem thong friendly. Marci admitted that was the first time she had really seen anyone else in a thong at the pool.

JM_Runs #166

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Date Posted:05/22/2005 08:57:49Copy HTML

Goes to show, if somebody breaks the ice, others may follow.
azcraig #167

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Date Posted:05/29/2005 01:59:54Copy HTML

It was gather at our house for the races day. WIth the Indy 500 on in the morning and the Coca Cola 600 on in the afternoon, it seemed like a good time to assemble everybody. Ann and Larry and 2 other couples were out of town so they didn't come. Paul and Marci arrived about 9:30 and Paul brought a flat screen TV, I think it wa a plasma, to put out on the patio so we could watch the 500. They are all in to Indy cars and F1, while I am more of a Nascar fan. As he set up his TV Cliff and Sherry arrived just before the 500 started. It was nice to have a TV that was clear and easy to see outside.  It was a beautiful day in the mid 90's. Jean and I were wearing matching power blue micros, Paul had on a string side bikini, Marci wore a bright orange thong with a triangle top, Cliff was in a speedo cut suit while Sherry wore a standard cut bikini. 

As the day went on Ron and TIna came over as did Robin and KC. Ron wore a black rio cut bikini and Tina a string Rio cut flowery bikini. Robin wore standard swim trunks and KC had on a prety standard bikini. We all spent itme in and out of the pool watching the race. The girls were all cheering for Danica Patrick to win. They went wild when she was leading with about 10 to go.  After the 500  Cliff and Sherry left, and Paul and Marci were going to leave but I told him he could not take the TV until after the Nascar race. They stayed.

At round 2 the Pennys arrived Jerry wore a speedo cut black with red stripes suit and Jeri stripped down to red and white polka dot bikini. We all settled in for what was to be a very long race. We spent time playing in the pool, B.S.ing and lounging around the pool all afternnon. Marci mentioned that the gal that came and thonged with us at their pool had been to the pool regularly since then. Marci wears there thong and says all seem OK with it.  She told me that nobody has said antything since the day we all went over so I guess all is OK there.

The Penny's are having a BBQ on Monday and invited us over so we may go there in that afternoon. I have to put up some ornimental iron window coverings in the morning so we might go over afterwords.  In the meantinme it is has become beautiful weekend here to Enjoy the Arizona Sun  And the weather forecasters forecasted rain.  Shows what they know.

azcraig #168

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Date Posted:05/30/2005 03:34:22Copy HTML

I worked around the house all morning from about 6:00 a.m. in a red micro. There was a group of bicycle riders that went by about 7:00. In the first bunch (probably about 20) some guy yelled to the others hey check that guy out. There were a lot of responses most of which I could not hear clearly, but I did hear an Oh my God! and a couple of whistles. At the rear of that group I heard one guy say, yeah, he is out here all summer long, usually he is in a yellow speedo. Thats not a speedo that is a thong another guy said. Keep in mind they are riding by at about 25 mph and all yelling to each other to communicate. A few minutes later another group of about 12 ride by and a girl yells, look there is thong man!   HI THONG MAN!!!  I look up and she is waiving so I waived back. Other than that it was the usual stuff of a few turn arounds a couple of honks.

At about noon Jean and I put on our royal blue matching suits. They are a rio cut with about 1/2 inch sides, and she has a triangle top. Off we go to the Penny's for an afternoon of fun and sun. When we arrive Jerry answers the door wearing swim trunks and invites us in. There are couple of people in the kitchen and he introduces us. Jeri intros us to another couple. She asks if we wore our copper colored suits and then goes on to tell the couple about the time we wore copper colored matching swimsuits over because their name is Penny. That was so cute, she said. The couple seemed amused. Jeri is wearing a pretty standard cut bikini, and one other gal is in a one piece. The rest of who we had seen were still in shirts and shorts. Jeri told us that some people were in the pool and we knew where the changing room was if we wanted to go get in the water, chips, salsa, and beverages are on the patio so help yourself she said. Jean and i took off our shorts and shirts and went out onto the patio. There were about 10 people outside when we went out and everybody kind of looked at us at the same time, and everybody got real quiet for a moment. Jerry came out and intro"d us. Jean and I got somethng to drink and began to mingle. I got into the water for a little bit and then got back out. There were a couple of guys talking about how it had cooled off and how nice it was. I commented about how wrong the weather forcasters were predicting rain.  We chatted for a while and another guy kind of joined the group. He asked me "so how is it that you and your wife have on the same bikini?"  I told him that we have a few sets of matching his and hers suits and today was royal blue day.  Well he said, your sure tan, so you must spend a lot of time in that. I explained that that was what I wore all wekkend to work around the house. Now one of the guys wife walks up. Then he said to me "so you run around in public just wearing that little speedo? This or less I told him. The lady asks "so where do you live?" I told her and she said, so you would be Mr Philips then?. I told her yes, have we met?  She said not unitl now but she is a dispatcher for the Sherrifs department and nearly every weekend that she works someone calls in to tell them about me. You have a little yellow speedo too dont you? I told her I have many colors and yes a yellow one. She then went on to say that they know when I am out and what I am weraing because someone will call. She said you must have a brown one or tan one or something that is the same color as your skin because that is when we get the calls that your naked. Why would people call you guys, one of the guys asked, there is nothing you can do about it is there?  No she said, pretty much everybody on the staff knows about him so we don't even dispatch anymore. If there is an officer in the area we might have him drive by, but we don't stop or make a report. He is well within the law so there is nothing we can do about it and I tell callers that.  One of the other guys said, well if you were driving down the street and you saw a guy in somehting like that you would have to figure soemthing was up. Another guys said to me, you have more cahonies than me,  you would never find me in public like that. The dispacher asked me " so everything is pretty much that coverage or do you wear thongs and g strings too? I told her that some of my suits were a little briefer that this one but I did not wear thongs or g strings. She told me that all of the reports have come back that you were wearing a little speedo so I just wondered.  So my tan colored one causes a bigger stir than the others, I asked her?  She told me most definately. She siad that those callers are more frequest and get irate when we tell them you are wearing a speedo, it is just the same color as his skin and some just swear yor are naked.  So i told her maybe I should stick with the yellow, neon green or blue so people know I am wearing something. She agreed and said yeah, if you are going to wear someting that small, make it show

Jean also had a converation with one of the other gals about our swimwear. It seems she understood the matching part and thought that was a clever idea, and that her suit looked fine on her but perhaps was a little small for me. Jean said she disagreed and stuck up for me by saying she thought I looked good in that little blue bikini.

We had been there about an hour when Jean and I compared notes on our conversations and thought it best to leave. There were about 20 plus peolple there and a few kids and we felt kind of out of place with this group. I was the only guy in less than full baggy swim trunks and  Jean was teh only gal in anything less than a regular old JC Penny's looking two piece. I told Jeri we were going to have to leave and she begged us to stay a while longer. We sayed for about another 45 minutes but there was a lot of negativity in the air. I overheard someone say I can;t believe he goes out in public wearing something like that,  and "that is a little inapropriate when there are kids around.

There was nobody else there we knew and nobody seemed supportive of what we were wearing so we were leaving. The only one beyond the Pennys that seemed to care we were leaving was the dispatcher lady. She came over and shook mine and Jeans hands and said it was really nice meeting you and it is nice to put a face with the name. I told her if there was ever a problme feel free to call of send and officer by. I am not trying to upset or offend anyobdy, it is just what I do.  She told me not to worry about it and hoped to see us again.  

rock1212 #169

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:05/30/2005 05:02:55Copy HTML

Someone couldn't believe you wear what you wear for swimwear when there are kids around? Come on! People need to RELAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is the big deal! In the big picture of all the things things going on in the world right now such as war, famine, disease, global warming, etc, those people sit there freaking out about what you wear for swimwear! Most of those people have WAY too much time on their hands!

At least Jerry, and Jeri were cool about what you were wearing, as well as the dispatcher!
sunbaked #170

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Date Posted:05/31/2005 09:51:19Copy HTML

Craig. It sounded almost like a hostile environment at the Pennies house this weekend. It is pretty bad that so many people think that there is something wrong with men that wear swimwear smaller than shorts down to your knees. You seemed to handle it pretty well. I am doing the stages trick trying to get my wife to more openly accept me in a thong in public. She is putting up resistance. I did wear my swim suits to mow the lawn and stuff this weekend. But I could tell she didn't approve. Hope she will accept thonging when we go on vacation next month at Marian Del Ray.

Keep rallying for the cause. It is the efforts of those like you that will help to strengthen the position, that smaller is better.

azcraig #171

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Date Posted:06/03/2005 02:00:36Copy HTML

Sunbaked.  The environment at the Penny's did not really seem "hostile" but there was maybe a little tension in the air. Jerry and Jeri were fine with it but there were a few folks that did not approve. Jean spoke to Jeri on Wednesday and Jeri said she was sorry that some people might have made us feel uncomfortable. She told Jean that some of the people there they didn't even really know, they had been brought along by others that were invited. Jean told Jeri that nect time maybe we should be a little more selective in what we wear so not to raise any fuss. I guess Jeri told Jean that we were welcome over any time and that they had no problem with what we wear and would never want us to wear otherwise. Then I guess they went on to talk about how bad some of the others looked with things from being very overweight, to being more hairy than a gorilla.  Saggy boobs, saggy buns, I guess they touched on it all. In the end Jean agreed that we shold not change our style. That is who we are.

Before Jean had this conversation, I was a little worried. I feared she was straying. She was saying maybe it was not right for people our age to wear what we wear.  We had talked about it a little on the way home but I kind of changed the subject to get her mind off of it. We both agreed that our very minimal swimwear has become so normal for us that we forget it might make some uncomfortable. Any way, after talking with Jeri, Jean is back on track and thinks we shold continue to wear what we do as long as WE are comfortable with it.

And sorry to hear Sunbaked that your wife does not really support you wearing thongs. Like I have said before, it is more of a tolerance thing than an acceptance thing..  Maybe you should ease up and go slowly and she will become more tolerant.  Keep us all posted on your progress.

azcraig #172

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Date Posted:06/19/2005 11:35:08Copy HTML

Jean and I went to Paul and Marci's Saturday afternoon. We arrived at the pool area about 1:00. Paul wore a Brazil cut bikini, Marci pretty small thong and small triangle top,  Jean and I had on Royal Blue Rio cut bikinis and Jean a small triangle top. The pool area there has some BBQ grilles off to one side so you can have a cook out there as well.  As we all stripped down to our swimwear there was one guy who was there with a couple of kids probably about 5 or 6. When he saw us he told the kids to gather their stuff because they were leaving. He was looking at us when he was talking to the kids. The little boy started whining and saying he didn't want to leave. I guess it was his dad said something to the boy and the boy looked over at us and said to his dad, Why, what's wrong with them? The dad just told him "lets go", and they left.  THere were quite a few other people there and about 6 kids.

We all just went about our business. Marci was grilling some hot dogs and we had brought Potato Salad and we had some soft drinks so we were set.  Everyone else was wearing traditional swimwear. When we got done eating we went back into the pool area and enjoyed the water and lounged around for a while. No one else seemed to mind what we were wearing so the afternoon was nice.

On Sunday I was out working in the front yard in a neon green micro. Doing chores and yard work I was getting the honks and hollars, and turn arounds. When ever anybody honks I always wave. This black car drove by slowly about four times and then parked just down the street around 2:00. The car sat there about 30 minutes before a Sherriffs car drove by slowly and then stopped across the street. The black car drives up to the Sherriffs car and a man in a suit gets out to talk to the Serriff as another Sherriffs car drives up and stops. There is now two Sherriffs and this guy all talking. The guy is pointing my direction during the conversation that went on for about 3 or 4 minutes. Then the guy started yelling something but I could not hear what he was saying and he finally got in his car and took off, obviously mad. The sherriffs stayed and talked for a while before one of them came across the street to talk to me. He was very calm and courtious. He told me that the guy that just left had called in a complaint about what I was wearing and wanted them to do something about it. When they told him there was nothing they could do because I was not breaking any laws, he got upset.  The officer then told me that although I was within my reights to wear what I was, he wanted me to know that it upsets some people. He also knew that I was out all of the time and that I usually wore "those little speedos".  I asked if that guy lived around here and he told me no, he lives out in the East Valley. "Then what is his problem" I asked? The other Sherriff is now walking over as the fiirst one explained to me that the guy was in the Real Estate business he thought but did not understand why we was so worried about what you are wearing in your own yard. Then the second Sherriff said that last week end that guy was showing a piece of property close by and as they drove by I was out front and his prospects saw me and told him they were not interseted anymore, and so he thinks you cost him a sale and commision. The officer went on to explain that it was probably better they (the potential buyers) find out about you now than after they move in. They both told me again that although some may not like it there was nothing that they could do and wished me a nice day and left.

After they left I went on about my business until sundown. As I worked, cleaned up, and washed my truck, I wondered.  It appears the the tides of tolerance are changing, and it makes me wonder how long I will continue to be able to enjoy the Arizona sun?

Thong Kong #173

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Date Posted:06/20/2005 04:28:06Copy HTML

God, I feel so horrible for those poor kids. Not only do they have an intolerant jerk for a dad, they had a nice afternoon ruined, and are being taught to be intolerant and ashamed of the human body themselves.

I bet the dad was either really out of shape or was ashamed of the size of his own "equipment". Or he was a born-again, evangelical fundie (and I know not all Christians are fundies). Moron.
rock1212 #174

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Date Posted:06/21/2005 01:02:00Copy HTML

Craig, if I had a neighbors who both wore tiny swimwear in their yard, I would probably become more interested in the neighborhood, because mabye people are just a LITTLE more tolerant to what I prefer for swimwear!
chasnsx #175

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Date Posted:06/21/2005 10:27:19Copy HTML

Craig, I have been an attorney in California for fifteen years, and in criminal defense for seven, and I have to say the following:

People like you are more important to the very fabric of America, and constitutional freedom, than anyone else, including me, for the following reason:

Only when people like you continue to exercise and enjoy privileges allowed by the law, such as freedom of expression to wear what we want, can we keep the laws where they are and where they are supposed to be.  There are plenty of mean-spirited, nasty people out there who seek to control the behavior of others, and they invariably start their misguided crusade from their own perverse notions of what they think the law ought to be.

Just keep doing what you are doing, and God bless.

Charles

 

 

 

beachfolks #176

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Date Posted:06/22/2005 11:54:17Copy HTML

Craig- Don't sweat it, don't overestimate your importance. You were just the real estate customer's most convenient excuse for declining the property. My feeling is that no reasonable person would decline a house only because someone nearby had a small swimsuit on. The customer had more reason to decline than that and there's no such wrath as that of a salesman who just lost a commission.
azcraig #177

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Date Posted:06/26/2005 11:56:41Copy HTML

Jeans family was here for the weekend from PA. Her mom, brother, sister in law, and their two boys .  With it being hot everyone was in the pool Saturday when I got back from work about 1:00.  I saw Jean was wearing a red rio cut bikini so I slipped into a red rio cut bikini and went out to join them. As I walked out onto the patio and said hi, everyone just kind of stopped in their tracks and looked at me sauser eyed.  What? I said.  Jeans mom, who is very outspoken, said, Jeez Craig,  your swimsuit is almost as small as Jeans.  I told her it was because we had matching swimwear.  She told me to turn around and I did to which see said "oh my God that thing doesn't hardy cover nothin'." Jean told her not to complain that most of my swimsuits were smaller than that.  I asked her "what, have you never seen me in a swimsuit before?"  As I got into the pool we talked and realized that in over 20 years we had never been in the pool or around water before this. They usually come in the winter or are on such a limited time schedule we usually do not have time for such recreation. They were sure surprized to see me in such a small cut swimuit to say the least. I asked them if they wanted me to go change and they told me no. (good thing because I would have changed into shorts and not gotten back in the water)  While we were enjoying ourselves in the pool the dogs started barking and carrying on so I got out to see what was going on. I went out into the front yard and there were some guys wanting to know if I wanted my trees trimmed.  I told took their card and told them I might call when I am ready but not now. They did not have any reaction to what I was weraing.

When I came back into the back yard and told everyone who was there, Jeans mom asked "do you always go out front in that little thing? I went on to explain that I usually wear somehting like this all weekend in out and around the house and that is my normal weekend attire." Jeans sister in law commented well that explains your nice tan.

Sunday morning I got up at about 6:30 and went out front to do some yard work. I had put on a royal blue micro and was cleaning up some leaves and trash as tthe first batch of Sunday bicycle riders rode by.  I heard somebody say "hey check it out". Then there was a whistle, an oh my God, and a look at that, that is just wrong. The bike riders passed by for about the next 45 minutes and there were more of the usual comments that I most often here including those that said HI and waived. When the in-laws got up and around I was sweeping off the front walkway. Jeans brother came out  front and we chatted for a couple of minutes before his mom came out. She saw me and said "look at you out here in that little thing, that is even smaller than what you had on yisterdee, you might just as well wear nothin."  I told here that probably would not be a good idea. She then acknowledged, well at least you keep yourself in good shape and you ain't all fat and flabby. I asked her once agian if what I was wearing bothered her, She said you know Craig there are a lot worse things going on in this world than you wearing that little thing. No it does not bother me it is just kind of an eye opener and if you are comfortable in it then I am happy for you." Nothing else was said about it after that. They left about noon and as they left I stood there by the street in my blue micro waiving goodbye, enjoying the Arizona sun.

rock1212 #178

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Date Posted:06/27/2005 12:05:58Copy HTML

Your wife's family sounds like a really cool group of people!
Dennis at Thong Beach #179

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Date Posted:06/27/2005 06:07:49Copy HTML

azcraig, thanks for the report.  I had to chuckle when I read your latest exploits with the in-laws, and ended it by waving good-bye in your micro suit.  Good for you!  You sure have been through a lot recently, and I applaud your guts and determination to wear what you want, but still be alert to not offend.
azcraig #180

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Date Posted:06/29/2005 07:13:42Copy HTML

I was in the check out line at the area Wal-Mart last night and there was a woman in front of me with her daughter. She looked to be about 8 or 10 and was staring at me while in line. She finally said to her mother "Mommy, there is that man". The mother turned around to look at me and asked her daughter what man? The little girl responded " the man in the girls bathing suit.  The mother seemed embarressed and she turned to me and said "she thinks she knows everyone. I smiled and pretending not to have heard what the girl had said, asked the Mom where the girl knew me from. The Mom then said that there was this house, (and went on to describe my house) where this guy parades around his house  wearing a G string. Before I could say anything a woman in the line next to us said "oh so you have seen him too?
Mom:'yeah, he is out there all the time. 
Woman: I have never seen him in a g string I have only seen him a little tuny Speedo's.  Have you seen the yellow one?
Mom: oh yeah, I have seen the yellow one, the lime green one, the red one, the blue one, he must have a hundred of them....maybe they are not G strings but close enough. 
Playing dumb, I asked where is this at?
They both joined in to describe my house.
I asked " and this guy only wears a small thong or someting? What does he look like?
Woman; no, it is not a thong it is like a real tiny little bikini. 
Mom: the guy is out there almost every weekend, he is about your size. 
Woman; yeah he kind of looks like you.
I said "now wait,  I don't know if I have just been insulted or complemented and laughed. 
Mom;  He looks pretty rediculous he must be gay or something. 
Woman; No I have seen his wife or girlfriend too and she was also wearing a similar bikini and I don't think he looks rediculous, he is in pretty good shape.
Mom; That's not what I meant, he is in good shape and has a good tan and stuff but I can't believe that anyone would be out in something like that
I said; Maybe he thinks he is at the beah
Mom: Maybe, but there ain't no beaches around here
Woman; Don't tell him that
We all chucked and it was now Moms turn at the register
The woman also paid for her stuff and as she left she told me, just drive by this weekend and you will see what we are taliking about.
I told her I would.

It was really kind of funny. They never asked if it was me. The poor little girl will get no credit for paying attention, and I am still not sure wheather I was complimented or insulted.

rock1212 #181

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Date Posted:06/29/2005 01:11:24Copy HTML

Craig, they will eventually put 2 and 2 together. I would bet money on it if I were a betting kind of guy! Now that they have seen you in street clothes(or whatever you wore to wal-mart), they might realize you're not "weird" or anything like that!

A lot of people just have a hard time with seeing a guy in a bikini! It is just not part of their culture. If it is a woman in a bikini, it is no big deal, but with guys, it is different! Most people are just not used to it yet! Oh, and from what I understand, lots of people move to AZ every year from other parts of the country. How do we know that they didn't within the past year move there from mabye oh......a mid-western state where it isn't common at all?

Your meeting those 2 ladies in wal-mart certainly didn't hurt your situation! They will figure out that the guy in a bikini was the same guy they met in wal-mart! And then that 8 year old girl will get credit for her observations!
kgagne #182

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Date Posted:06/29/2005 11:49:18Copy HTML

It looks as if the 8 yr old is the only one not totally focused on your swimsuit.  It is another example of how we think kids might see the world  as to how they really see the world.  Mom could only focus on your bikini area so she thinks that is all the child would see.

azcraig #183

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Date Posted:06/30/2005 10:02:22Copy HTML

That is an intereseting perspective that the girl is the only one to identify me because youngsters look at things differently. But I would be surprised if the women figure who they were talking to because I had just left a business meeting and was wearing a suit and tie. 

If some people think it is rediculous to wear such a small swimsuit in the middle of the summer, I would bet I could create similar "what's up with that" kind of attitude if I wore my suit, tie, and white gloves out in the 110 plus temps to do yard work.

azcraig #184

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Date Posted:07/03/2005 02:05:41Copy HTML

Today we had some people over that Jean works with, for a dip in the pool and BBQ. These 2 couples came over and one brought their 14 to 16 year old son. Because we had never socialized with these people before Jean wore a pretty standard flower print bikini and I wore a Brazil cut red suit.  As I came out onto the patio everyone looked at what to them was a brief swimsuit. One of the ladies siad "my you have a nice tan" and I told her yeah I spend a lot of time outside.

A little time went by and everyone adjusted to what I was wearing. The three guys were wearing long swim trunks and both the gals were wearing one piece suits.  As I got in and out of the pool I kept moving the waistline lower and kind of kept narroing the rear panel. I spent a few minutes with the suit adjusted so that I was more breif than when I first came out in it. I went into the house to get more salsa and quickly changed into a red rio bikini and went back outside. I am sure nobody suspected that I had changed into a smaller suit.

Over the next half hour I did the same kind of adjustment to the rio so it was now getting pretty small. It was during this itme that the other lady mentioned to me that you don't see too many guys in speedos these days. I asked her if it was making her uncomfortable and she told me no, not at all. The son told me I looked like a Native American because I was so dark. He asked me if I ever got sunburned and i told him very rearely. He then said you must always wear those little speedos because I don't see any tan lines...do you have tan lines or do you tan in the nude?  I told him I had tan lines and moved the narrow band that connects the front panel to the back to reveal about a 1/2 wide thin white stripe on my skin. 

A little while later someone was out front so I went through the side gate to see who it was. It was an old friend of Jeans that we had not seen in over a year. When I went out front she said CRAIG, how are you? Oh look at you, you are so tanned and still wearing your little speedos, that is so cute. I took her in the house to visit with Jean.

While inside it slipped down the hall and quickly changed into a red micro that was the same cut as what I had the rio reduced to. I came back and we took Sue out back to meet our other guests (after we convinced her she didn't have to leave). We went out onto the patio and introduced everyone. I still don't think it had occured to anyone that I had been swithcing to smaller swimsuits.

Everyone seemed to enjoy that afternoon and our guests left,and about an hour later Sue left. Before Sue left she wanted a picture of me to show to her friends back in Nebraska. She told me she had told her friends about my teeny little speedos and I don't think they believe me. Now I can show them. She took a shot from the front and then from the side with her digital camera. Because the rear panel is so small, from the side it looked like there was no rear panel so when someone sees a photo, they will assume I am wearing a thong.

I think everyone enjoyed themselves and I don't think, at least I hope, my swimwear did not offend anyone. Tomorrow the regular bunch will be over in the early afternoon to lounge aroud the pool eat and visit while enjoying the Arizona sun.

jordonl_1999 #185

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Date Posted:07/04/2005 01:04:44Copy HTML

Having a whole array of sizes in the same color & fabric... heh, that's pretty sneaky. Cool!
azcraig #186

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Date Posted:07/04/2005 01:55:31Copy HTML

On the 4th I was out front cleaning up getting ready for our guests to arrive about noon. I was wearing a neon green micro which really looked good against my dark tan. About 10:00 Sue drives up. When she was here yesterday she forgot her glasses and was there to pick them up on the way to the airport.

She got out and said "OOHHHHH Looooook at you in that tiny little green ........."   "Turn around" she said, and I did.

"I guess it is not quite a thong but it looks so good on you."  "Wait" she said, "more pictures."    She then proceeded to take 3 photos of me in my green micro.  

Jean, (wearing athe same color same cut bikini as mine), came outside and brought Sue her glasses.  Now Sue wanted photos of both of us so she clicked off a few more.  Then she asked me, "why don't more guys wear stuff like this?"  "You are the only one I have ever seen like this away from the beach. You just look so cute." 

I told her for some reason it is just not what we are tought to wear.  Sue said "Well more guys should wear stuff like that", and she snapped one more photo and left for the airport.  It is too bad more women don't feel that way. I must disclose that Sue is a lesbian, so it is not a sexual thing to her.

The first to show were Ann and Larry. Ann took off her short shorts and top to reveal blue thong with a small triangle top. Larry had on a red and white striped speedo.  "See, Red, White and Blue" she pointed out.  Ron and TIna arrived and ROn was wearing a black speedo cut bikini and Tina had on a red brazil cut bikini.  Then Paul and Marci showed up. Paul had on a red and white striped in the front, and a blue triangle in the back of his thong with stars on it. Marci had on a very similar thong bottom and the top was white with one star right over the nipple.  The others that we had ivited over were not coming for one reason or another.

We got inot the pool and relaxed for a while. When Marci got out the white in her suit was completely transparent. It was so transparent you could barely see the material.   Then we all just hung around and enjoyed each others company while enjoying the Arizona sun.

sunbaked #187

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Date Posted:07/05/2005 10:07:47Copy HTML

Craig. What do you do when you have guests over that object to what you are wearing? Are you careful not to invite those that might? Or, do you just wear shorts on those occations?
azcraig #188

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Date Posted:07/05/2005 10:26:46Copy HTML

I try not to push my morals or taste in swimwear off on anyone. I usually try to be respectcful of others feelings. The few times I have participated in trying to get someone to dress down so-to-speak, I have stopped if I felt they were offended. There are occations where we have folks over that do not approve of my very minimal swimwear. On those occations I wear a speedo cut bikini. That is the best I can do because I own no swim trunks. I guess I could wear some of my regular shorts, but I would be very uncomfortable that way. As to what do I do when this happens, It has only happened once in the past many years. The Pastor of our church stopped by for a visit and I was out in the backyard in a small swimsuit. My sister was there and had her two kids with her and they were playing in the pool. I went in through the back door and slipped on some shorts and a t shirt before I went to talk to him. He offered to leave because we had company but we asked him to stay. He told us we could go out onto the pation if we wanted but we stayed indooors. Bottom line is I just stay out of the water. And, I can't ever remember thinking that someone might not like what I wear and then not inviting them over. We have many friends that come over and never go out near the pool.
As far as the changing of the suits, I really don't think they even noticed. Once the initial shock was over I don't think anyone was the wiser that my suits were getting smaller, but I could be wrong. Wish I knew a way to find out but it is possible that they might not tell me the truth if I asked.

azcraig #189

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Date Posted:08/08/2005 10:42:21Copy HTML

       It has been a very hot July. So hot that nobody seemed to want to be outside and so we have not had any pool or water parties. Temps early in the morings have been in the low 90's and in the 100 teens in the day. Even I have been spending more time in the pool and less time working. When I am out working in the yard in one of my micros it has still seemed hot. The honks hollars and whistles seem to be getting  fewer, I guess as the new neighbors get used to seeing a guy in less than shorts.
       We did finally plan a get together last Sunday as the heat broke and it was in the 105 area. It was cloudy in the morning but cleared off nicely for the afternoon. We had told everyone to come over about 1 or 1:30. First to arrive at about 12:00 were Ann and Larry. Jean and I greeted them at the door in royal blue micros, and Jean with a small triangle top. The bottoms were new and had a 2 inch lower cut in the front which made them VERY low. Ann came in wearing short shorts and a white gauze shirt over a bright pink very small bikini top and thong bottom. Ann is very outgoing and makes herself right at home when she comes over. She told Jean and I  as she came in  that she came early to go ut and get some sun before the others showed up and that she invited Marci over early too. She turned to me and said you guys can watch your race and us girls will go out on the patio and off she went. About 5 minutes later Paul and Marci arrived. Marci apollogized for arriving early and said she was hoping to get a lttle sun before the others arrived if that was ok. I told her Ann and Jean were in the back yard and to go for it. Off she went and the guys stayed inside to watch some of the NASCAR race at Indy. I went out to check on the girls about a half an hour later and here are all three of them laying there topless sunning themselves. Marci's g string was so small it looked like she had nothing on. It was just a narrow strip maybe one inch wide and ver very low. I asked if they needed anything and they said they were ok and I went back in.
       At about 1:15 Ron and Tina arrived. As Paul went out back to tell the girls the others were here I greeted Ron and Tina at the door. Tina had called that morning and told us they had some friends from out of town so they were not coing over. I told her to bring them along and  told her  they were welcome if they wanted to come. As they came in we were all introduced to TJ and Brenda. They both kind of did a double take when they saw what I was wearing but nothing was said. As we went out onto the patio we continued the intros with the girls. Ann in her tiny bright pink thong Jean in her royal blue micro, and Marci in a small black thong bottom (not the one she was laying out in) and a very interesting top. I would describe it as being kind of like a tube top except all there was to it was the top and bottom edges in the form of a string with a verticle strip about 2 inches wide over here breasts. Larry was now in a speedo cut green and blue suit, Paul has taken off his shorts to reveal a black thong. As Ron and Tina peeled off their shirts and shorts she was wearing a rio cut print bikini and Ron in a black speedo cut suit. Brenda slipped off her shirt and shorts and was wearing a pretty standard one piece and TJ just took off his shirt on wore his shorts. I could tell they were a little uncomfortable. I quietly asked Tina if their guests knew our poolside dress code and she told me she tried to warn them. She told me they stopped on the way over to get someting for TJ but could not find anything less than shorts at Fiest Mall so neither one of them got anything and just went with what they had. 
      We spent the afternoon outside and enjoyed each others company and some good food. The topic of attire never came up as far as I know. It was really nice to get the group back together again. Maybe now that it has cooled a bit, we can spend more time enjoying the Arizona sun

azcraig #190

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Got up at sunup to get a head start on some yard work before any of the folks we invited over showed. I put on my bright green micro and went outside to do some clean up and trimming. I had been out front for about an hour when a group of bicyclists rode by as I was putting clippings in the garbage can by the street. There must have been about 20 in the group and the comments I heard were... hey check it out, look at the guy in the thong,  now that's just wrong, there should be a law,  from females voices   he looks pretty good if you ask me, thats thong man, he is out here most of the time.  I went on about my business and about 15 minutes later another group goes by, maybe 8 or 10. I am raking up some leaves with my back to the street when I hear a guy say' look over there" what? a female says" , the guy in the thong he says, where? she says, you didn't see him turn around,  turn around. I keep on raking and glance over my shoulder as a guy and girl turn around and come back. As they slowly ride back by the guy says "see?"  The girl then says  OOOOOHHHH Yeeeeh,   and someone whistles. and they turn around again to go catch the others. This tiem as she rides pasts she yells "nice buns" and they ride off.
      Is what I don't think they realize is that thay are talking very loud to hear each other and at that time of the morning noise carries so I can usually hear what they are saying coming and going.
     About 15 minutes go by and another group rides by and now I am finishing picking up what I had raked and putting it in the garbage can as they ride by. Again my back is facing them and I am only wearing my bright green micro bikini wiht aobut a 3 inch wide back.  This time I hear an "oh my God" and a thats sick, and a female yells Hi Thongman!, I waive as a guy askes "do ou know him? I only hears her say "oh yeah"...and then I could not hear the rest of what she said because a truck went by.
    I was still working blowing off the driveway when a Sherrif stops across the street and gets out to look at a black car that was setting there. After a few minutes he gets back in and then drives up and gets out. He said "good morning, how are you today?". I told him fine I think.  Whats up, I asked him. He told me that he knew I had been out here all morning because the first call came in about 6:00 a.m. and he was wondering if I knew anything aobut the black car across the street. I told him I thought it got there about 5:00 a.m. because the dogs were making a lot of noise and when I looked out it was there and it had not been there an hour earlier. So you didn't see anybody or other cars. No I told him and then asked why. He told me the car was stolen and had been used in a crime. I told him again that I had not seen anything. He told me that's ok, I knew you were out here so I thought I would give it a shot.
    I asked him how he knew I was out here because I had not seen him drive by. He told me that he heard a dispatcher try to send an officer out to a naked man in the front yard. The patrolman told her the situation and that you just wore thongs but typically was not really naked. I asked him if those calls came in a lot and he told me probaly 5 to 10 a day but most of the operators know the situation, this one must be new. Now concerned I asked him if they really got that many calls and he assured me they did. He went on to say "don't let it worry you though because you are not breaking any laws so there is nothing we can do about it.  I told him if it was that big of a problem, maybe I should rethink it. He told me that is up to you, like I said, you are breaking no laws and until that happens you are within your rights.
    He then got a call on his radio and told me he had to run and thanked me (for what I don't know) and got into his car. As he made a U-turn in the road, he almost hit Ann and Larry as they arrived. As Ann got out of the truck wearing short shorts and a small bikini top she asked what he wanted. I just told her he was checking on the car across the street and left it at that.  Larry said he thought they might be responding to me being out front in just that. I told him no, that is not what they wanted. Ann blurted out to Larry "hey screw them there is nothig they can do about us out here in our bathing suits. She then whipped off her shorts to reveal her very tiny thong and stood there at the side of the road and said to him see? there is nothing illegal here. I told her to chill out a little and that the Sherrif's Dept is ok with what I wear. Larry said Ok, Ok, sorry I brought it up. About that time a man and woman come jogging down the road trying not to look at Ann and I but staring just the same. I said Hi how are you this morning they said fine and kept on jogging. Ann told Larry, See? no big deal, and we went inside.
    About half an hour later Paul and Marci arrived and we went out onto the patio. Jean is in a matching bright green micro bikini. Larry is wearing his speedo Paul a black thong and Marci a matching very small black thong.  A couple of hours had gone by and Marci rememberd she was supposed to take her allergy meds and need to go out to the truck and get them. She walked out the the side of the raod where there truck was and had to get in the drivers side to get her bottle of allergy pills. There was about 8 or ten honks and yells in the 30 seconds she was at the road side, much more activity them I ever get anymore. When she came back in we started kidding her about causing a traffic adccident and she said she didn't figure it would be that big of a thing because I was always out front anyway.
    About 6 everyone went home and now I sit here and wonder how long it will be before I am asked to not wear my miros out front anymore. If the Sherriff's department gets calls eveytime I am out and the dispatchers are expected to know what is going on, it makes me uneasy thinking about it.  If ever I am told to wear more, I really don't know what I will do. I will be hard pressed wearing dork shorts and a shirt while trying to enjoy the Arizona sun.

JM_Runs #191

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Azcraig, You said  "I don't think they realize is that they are talking very loud to hear each other and at that time of the morning noise carries so I can usually hear what they are saying coming and going."   I come from a family that sailed quite a bit.  To get from the boat to the shore we sometimes used a dinghy powered by an outboard motor.  My mother often pointed out to us kids, that although we had to shout to make our selves heard, people a quarter of a mile away could clearly hear us because the human voice traveled better than the outboard.  

The same affect is happening in a bicycle peleton where you face four communication problems:  You are talking to the wrong end of the person in front of you, you are facing the wrong way to talk to the person behind you, there is a whistling in your ears from going 18 to 20 miles an hour, and your ears are not in a normal orientation, they are pointed down.  That's why you see most bicycle pace lines using hand signals. 

With regard to the local police, I would not worry about the fact that they get calls.  There are a lot of other re-occurring calls they get for other matters.  They get reports all the time, noisy yard workers, people parking in front of THEIR house, dogs barking, you name it.  It's probably a relief to them to have some calls that they just know they don't have to dispatch. 

I run a good distance, on the beach, in a thong, in a city.  There are tourists aand busy-bodies et all, who now and again feel it's there duty to point me out to the life guards or police.  I am sure they have gotten some intresting calls.  If they are despatched, they see it's me, and just keep on going.  They have got more important things to do.

Both the police and life guards have established that I am not naked, or streaking, or any threat to any one, so if a person stops them they tell the person to chill, and to go away. 

I have made sure to greet every one cheerfully, and have a good relationship with most of the life guards and the local police.  It's good to be friendly and helpful to the police.  I have personally returned the aluminum box containing the charge sheets of one officer who lost it on the beach.  He was very grateful.   Some times we get barrels or other flotsam washed ashore so over the years I have reported quite a few suspicious or dangerous items to the life guards or police. 

Just last week, while riding my bike to the beach, I saw a parked car that had been hit by an over night hit and run.  I rang the door bell but no one was home, the occupants were away.  So when I arrived at the beach, I told a couple of the officers who were having breakfast at a beach side joint.  They were friendly, took the report, and the subject of my thong did not come up. 

People sometimes ask me, after seeing me talking to the police or life guards, if the police were telling me to cover up.  It brings a smile to my face, I shrug and say "No, were talking about "...    Sometimes they follow up and I have to tell them , "No, the subject did not come up."

So don't worry.  The fact that you are an item they know about, and have checked out before, sort of provides an inoculation for the future.   The police could not work with out the help of citizens who keep an eye out.  Good policeman are aware that the regulars like you, if befriended, can be valuable resources.  It's in both your interests to be friendly and helpful.

JM_Runs #192

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:08/22/2005 12:29:57Copy HTML

In reply to Stun Gun,  you said "there is such a thing as appropriate.  Something can be legal, but not appropriate"  and then went on to suggest that he is kidding himself  "because what your really after is not a clean lawn, but the adrenaline rush of someone seeing an almost naked guy."  You suggest he is alienating his neighbors to get a rush.

Maybe his neighbors should not be worrying about what he wears in his garden.  They have their own castles to rule.

I also spend time in a thong.  My yard is well screened by a hedge, but I don't have any problem going out front to get the mail, or the paper, or unload the car, or ride my bike to the beach in a thong.  I don't do it to annoy my neighbors.   Most have no problem with my running around in a thong.  I am currently elected to the board of my neighborhood association to represent my street, as is my neighbor across the street. (I asked him to serve when there was a vacancy.)  No one, to my knowledge,  has ever rased it as an issue with the association.  I have been representing my street for about a dozen years now.

I wear a small suit because I prefer to be nude, or almost nude.  I was dressing this way 25 years ago on my sailboat when I did not have neighbors.  I must admit that, for the first few years after moving in to my current house, I was more cautious.  Arfter finding that nobody really cares, I now thong on the beach, and when ride my bike to the beach in a thong.  (This is Fort Lauderdale, so it's probably less red neck than some parts of the deep south.) 

You ask "Is it more fun if the neighbor is the annoying one that absolutely does not like you thonging, or the one that doesn't mind?"  From my point of view I ignore it if some one makes a disapproving comment or pulls a sower face.  The positive responses far out weigh the negative ones.  I have learnt that the art of living, is not to hide from all criticism.  To answer your question, Fun, for me, is friendly people.  I like it when people are friendly towards me. 

You assume that the reason for wearing thongs is to get reactions from other people.  Not for me, and probably not for Craig.  We maybe a little weary that some idiot is going to make a big thing about it, but we would prefer that people just said ?Good Morning' and went on with their life.  It's no big deal, it's just a thong, and we are not paranoid about others seeing our bodies. 

You seem to think that wearing a thong in public is a confrontational tool.  It sure can be, but it does not have to be, after all, it's just a small swim suit.  I tend to avoid confrontations.  I am not risk adverse but I am confrontation adverse.  I will do my best not to start a fight and if one erupts I will be the first to turn and walk away, but not because I am a coward.  I have jumped of mountains pitting my trust in various cloth contraptions; I have sailed over the ocean in boats so small that most people would not use them to cross a lake;  And I have stood my ground when all hell is breaking lose.  But I do believe the best way to avoid confrontations is to turn around and walk away.  I am sure some people on the board wear their thongs to piss people off or get a rise out of them.  Not me, and I suspect, not Craig. 

Some times, when wearing a thong you may be tweaking other peoples sense of sensibility.  But hay, why not?  As my old Aunt Pippa, who lived in Jamaica, said  "If we are not colorful then who the hell did the tourists come to see?" 

Billboards and signs by the road side make you stop and think: At least that's what the local churches and the man selling carpets are hopeing.  Trailers for movies; adds on TV; the man with the flash new car, they all wish to tweak you a bit.  They are all trying to get you to see them, or their product, or their message, in a new way. 

We are bombarded with messages and images that try to tweak our views.  If a glance at a man doing yard work in a thong makes you think, that's probably a good sign.   Thinking, Good.   Trying to make everyone happy, foolish.

I notice that most people who go through American high schools spend a lot of effort making sure they don't stand out, and don't attract criticism.  It may be the problem with large class sizes that are difficult to control, unless every one conforms. It may be just the new
suburban culture.  Students are drilled to fit in, to go along, and not to make ripples in the pond.  That's a shame, people should be taught to challenge complacent thinking, and the status quo.

Other nations seem to embrace their more eccentric citizens, while the US, for the most part, shuns the unusual individuals.   The US likes to keep eccentrics in a zoo like setting.  For example, jugglers should be in the circus or Disney world.  If a man walks around all day at Disney, juggling as he goes, he is an attraction.  If the wife of your neighbor was to be regularly seen juggling as she walked up and down the street, you would probably assume she had lost it.   If not, you would be certanly be gossiping behind your chintz curtains, about her.  "Doesn't she realize that  everyone else thinks she is a little touched?"   But maybe she just enjoys the mental and physical condonation it takes to keep three or more balls in the air.

I suspect that Craig would prefer not to have any problems with the community.  To me it seams that he is very aware of what others say about him.  So lets take him at his word when he expresses concern that others should not be unduly troubled by him.  The key here is ?Unduly Troubled".  As the Sheriff said, "don't let it worry you because you are not breaking any laws, so there is nothing we can do about it." and when Craig suggested maybe he should rethink it the Sheriff said "That is up to you, like I said, you are breaking no laws and until that happens you are within your rights." 

So it's up to Craig.  He gets to chouse what HE likes to do.  Thomas Jefferson said something about this. Oh yes, I remember now  "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness."   Along with a few of his radical friends they stuck the words in the Deceleration of Independence: 

  •  "that ALL men are created equal,  that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights;   that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."  

(Now that was a document ment to tweak someones nose.)

So it looks like Craig has a GOD given right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  That means he gets to wear what he wants, so long as it's within the law.  

Thong Kong #193

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:08/22/2005 02:00:41Copy HTML

Let's say 70% of men actually wish that it was okay to go out and wear a thong or a bikini in their yards, at the pool, or on the beach (Stun Gun, please note that azcraig does not actually wear thongs, as you incorrectly state he does). But of those 70%, only 5% actually have the balls (no pun intended) to go out and do it. What if everyone who wanted to wear brief swimwear actually just did it? Then the ones who object would all look like jerks. Well, the ones who object ARE the jerks, and the ones who give in to peer pressure and are afraid of whatever are the cowards. What we need to do to make it okay here, for everybody, is to JUST DO IT. That's what Craig and JM do so well. They serve as an inspiration for us all to follow suit and just do it. Eventually, the trend might change due to people like us. But without people like us it will NEVER change. Ever. You can't just sit and wait for perceptions to change. You have to go out there and actually do something. It's just like swimming against the current. If you don't make an effort to move forward, you move back.
chasnsx #194

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:08/23/2005 09:02:52Copy HTML

I think StunGun's premise is actually unfair from two points of view, because he is attempting to enforce both a sexual double standard and some kind of clothing based moral standard.  If a physically fit woman decides to wash the car or mow the lawn in a bikini on a hot day, there is nothing wrong.  Some of the other women in the neighborhood may call her a slut in whispers behind her back, and male passersby get a pleasurable eyeful, and maybe she enjoys the attention or maybe washing the car in the heat is such hot miserable work that she really wants to hose herself down every so often, without being covered with wet clothes.

As an aside, I do note that in passing various charity car washes in my area in recent years, the young ladies who wash the cars always without exception wear shorts over the bikini bottom, or wear a bikini with a boyshorts style bottom.  I don't think I've seen a girl in real bikini bottom washing a car since the 1980's :-(

However if a man wants to work in the yard or wash the car wearing a bikini, even in a place where the temperature soars over a hundred degrees all summer, some folks just have to see a problem there.

That brings us to the comfort issue.  I have a yard full of bonsai trees that have to be watered every day in warm weather, and cannot be watered in the evening due to the risk of fungus on the leaves.  I wouldn't mow my lawn or pull weeds in a bikini because I have allergies, but I do wear the bikini to water the bonsais on hot days because 1) its nice to set the nozzle on "mist" and hose myself down when I get too hot; and 2), it is a lot more practical than filling the hamper with sweated through or hosed down dork shorts.  During colder weather, I generally have to wear stain defender slacks to water the bonsais, because there is a certain amount of splash back from the shower nozzle that is used to water them. 

Regards, Chas

nicthong #195

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:08/23/2005 07:14:25Copy HTML

The accusation that Craig 'thongs' in public to get a rush doesn't seem fair at all: Craig has repeatedly shown a genuine concern about what others think and on several occasions has asked the question 'should he continue'; he shows no exhibitionist tendencies (other than wearing something smaller than the norm) - he never goes out of his way to get attention (instead he just gets on with his routine) and has never even hinted at any sexual pleasure (but rather at the practicalities); finally, for him and his friends, small suits are the norm so why would it be cause for a 'rush' if it's exactly what he's used to? 

I also question the accusation that "a good portion of the board's readers love to read about [his] exploits for some sort of vicarious pleasure". I, for one, read Craig's stories (a) because it makes good reading (especially during slow days at work), (b) because it encourages me to know that someone has the courage to be himself (the same reason I enjoy reading many of JM's comments), and (c) because this is typically a thread where we can talk genuinely about 'thong freedom'. If it's wrong to take pleasure in someone else's freedom, I'm guilty. But I applaud Craig for doing what so many others don't have the courage to do: to be himself.

Now, is it appropriate to wear a bikini outside in the heat? I think so. Is it inappropriate to wear a bikini in public? Lets hope not - for if it is, we're headed straight back to Victorian times and full-body bathing suits at the beach. Ah, but is it appropriate for a GUY to wear a BIKINI in PUBLIC in his FRONT yard if it causes a NUISANCE to neighbours etc? Well, the 'guy' issue raises a double standard that's discussed in many threads and we may as well all give up now if we accept the cultural 'standard' that guys shouldn't wear anything remotely revealing ever. So I'm going to ignore that because it's not even worth my time. What about a guy wearing a bikini? Inappropriate? Well, in my opinion, there's a huge lack of logic (and yet again a massive, unjustified, double standard) in the view that a guy shouldn't wear a swimsuit for swimming (or sunning), tights for running, etc etc. What about 'in public, in his front yard'? To suggest a guy should only wear something revealing in private takes away his rights and opens the doors for all sorts of other legalistic 'standards' to be imposed. Hardly appropriate for a 'free', 'progressive' culture! And hey, his front yard is his so surely Craig should be allowed his own freedom on his own property? And finally, what if it causes a nuisance? Well, from the many stories we've read, Craig isn't the one causing the nuisance. The only people that bother the police are those who call in to report the 'naked guy'. He's not naked and he's not doing anything wrong so why bother the police with the call? The police clearly know he's not a nuisance because they allow him to continue freely. Thus Craig is not the nuisance - the neighbours are.

Finally (and apologies to JM for quoting):

"Ask yourself this question, and answer it honestly.  You pop out the front door in one of your micros, and across the street is a neighbor.  Is it more fun if the neighbor is the annoying one that absolutely does not like you thonging, or the one that doesn't mind?"

In my mind, and I suspect in Craig's mind too (though he can answer this himself), it's more fun if the neighbour is the one that doesn't mind. Personally, if I'm thonging I just want to get on with my life and be myself - I don't want to annoy anyone and I don't want to encounter anyone who is annoying. I would always, without exception, enjoy my life more if people just accepted me as I am, my passion for thongs included, and just let me be. I have no doubt that Craig would say something very similar!

Craig: keep being yourself and enjoy it. The police aren't bothered by the number of calls they get and neither should you be. I respect you for your concern but, as things stand, I really wouldn't let it worry you. Take care and I hope you can continue to enjoy the arizona sun!

chasnsx #196

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Date Posted:08/24/2005 10:16:03Copy HTML

Stungun, you have unwittingly touched on an important point -- that there are really two facets to the minimum swimwear movement:  1)  The public acceptance facet; and 2)  The thrillseeker facet.

Arizona Craig has both feet firmly rooted in the first group.  We have a few people, like Lauren1 and Dave500, who are definitely practitioners of the second facet -- to see what is the absolute minimum garment one can wear to the beach and still be called swimwear.  Some of us are part of the acceptance group most of the time, but when they get a chance to go to an appropriate beach, they "push the envelope."

I am part of the acceptance group myself.  If you forced me to swim in a pool wearing dork shorts, you would see a facial expression on me reminiscent of a wet cat.  My goal is to be able to swim anywhere in a minimal rio cut bikini without any dirty looks or bad comments.

Chas

JM_Runs #197

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:08/24/2005 07:14:40Copy HTML

Call me 50/50.

Maybe that's not the exact ratio, but you get the idea. I love the feeling of the sun on my ass, the breeze blowing over skin, water rushing over you etc etc... I love receiving a positive comment or glance about the fact I've got the nerve to wear a thong, or that my ass looks good in one (yeah I have had those comments)

But I think the most crucial thing for me is ACCEPTANCE. OF ME.

Not really thrill seeking, not purely just the physical feeling of wearing minimal swim/underwear, and not entirely to just be different. All these aspects are important, but the sum of that equation adds up to the person I am. The end result, or the most important thing to me, is that no matter why I love to do this so much, doesn't change the person I am, and that is what people accept about me.

What I think I'm trying to say is that I don't think you can pin down this (thong wearing) to one thing only. If  you are really pasionate about something, then there is more than one reason why you do it. Human beings are very complex things, and I have trouble understanding myself, so I could never claim to know too much about anybody else! Yes you can draw some conclusions, but it's probably a unique thing to all of us.

Look, I'm not really articulating my point here too well, but this thong wearing thing is multi-faceted for me, and I believe most of the rest of you.

I wear them because I love the look of them on me. I love the look on others. It's a cheeky way to snub commonly accepted ideals that are rediculous. I wear them for a certain shock value. I wear them for a certain level of sexual arousal. I wear them because they feel great. I wear them because that is what makes me feel good!

Shit, I am not hurting anybody else, am I ?

So on the next sunny day in your area, don your thong an get out there! Lay in the sun, feel that strap between your cheeks, and think about why you're there. And think about the fact that all you are doing is making yourself happy for a short time in a completely harmless way.

Enjoy life, and enjoy thonging.

Now go and do it more often!

Thong Kong #198

Re:Enjoying the Az sun II - continuation of the - Enjoying the Arizona sun

Date Posted:08/25/2005 07:57:48Copy HTML

It all boils down to one thing in StunGun's argument.

He seems to assert that it's clearly inappropriate for a man to wear a rio string bikini (once again, Craig does not wear thongs) while working in 110 degree heat in his own yard on a public street where neigbors and passersby might see.

Overwhelmingly, we all disagree.

This just goes to show that we can't always agree on what is appropriate and what is not appropriate. And as a nation built on the right of the individual, it's clear that when such a disagreement exists, it is up to each individual to decide for themselves what their own behavior should be, except when there is an intelligent consensus (either indisputable scientific evidence or a nearly unanimous opinion -- NOT simply a majority opinion) that an action harms others, like stealing, assault, speeding, etc. (which are all illegal).

Does playing loud music late at night harm others. Sure. Does licking someone's face when you answer the door do harm to others? Sure.

Do we all agree that Craig's bikini wearing harms others? Absolutely not. So let him decide.

To me it's clearly inappropriate for someone to wear corduroy pants and a flannel shirt doing yardwork in the Arizona sun. Some might disagree. So I don't advocate laws or self-enforcement of social restrictions against others' right to do so.

PS the same argument applies to lots of other things, like gay marriage, etc. but we won't get into that here.
ButtStrap #199

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Date Posted:08/25/2005 11:11:07Copy HTML

It's legal to smoke.

But there's considerable scientific evidence that second-hand smoke is harmful. Even though some claim the jury is still out on that evidence.)

So even though smoking is legal, it's probably not a good idea to smoke around
children. Or other adults who might find it objectionable.

It's about social responsibility and appropriateness.

Just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean it's the right thing
to do.

Thong Kong #200

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Date Posted:08/25/2005 01:33:40Copy HTML

We all agree that secondhand smoke is harmful, and there is considerable scientific data to back that up. I would call it a "nearly unanimous" opinion.

But that wearing a bikini in one's own yard in view of neighbors? There's nowhere near a unanimous opinion on that.

That's the difference.
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