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SlidingG #401

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:12/03/2011 07:07:07Copy HTML

Hope to get back to SoBe in January, and see how bare I dare get, keeping your reports in mind.
JC2162 #402

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/08/2012 07:34:57Copy HTML

Spent the day at SoBe yesterday.  The weather was really nice.  The sun was strong and the wind was light and the temperature was in the mid-70s.  A little bit on the cooler side for South Floridians.  The beach was very busy with lots of foreign tourists and the usual compliment of locals.  There were lots of girs in thongs.  Less than 10% of the girls were topless.  There were many guys in Speedo type bikini suits and only two other gentlemen in thongs.

I took up a spot near the 13th street tower.  I wore one of my new Alphamoda Anafi tear-drop g-strings.  The red tear drop is very small in the front covering only the essential body parts with a small ring on the top and a tiny waist strap.  This suit is very shear when wet.  I only wore the Alphamoda suit while laying in the sun in my beach chair but I clearly attracted a lot of attention.  I got lots of looks and a few folks stopped to take pictures.  This suit is like wearing next to nothing at all.  I had three late teen girls set up near me in conservative bikinis and tops.  They were talking about how tiny my suit was but were mainly complimentary and took a few pictures.  Within a few minutes one of the girls removed her top and the other two followed suit. 

Later in the afternoon, I put on my yellow Skinswear bikini with a rio back over the tear drop suit and went for a long-walk.  Although, the Skinzwear suit is has more coverage than my tear drop.  It still has a much sexier look than the basic speedo that many guys wear.  The walk was wonderful.  I enjoyed all of the sights and even attracted a little bit of attention in my bikini.  Overall, I had another great day at SoBe.
bmicro #403

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/08/2012 09:40:05Copy HTML

 Why put on the bikini? No need.
SlidingG #404

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/09/2012 04:18:31Copy HTML

Hey bmicro, we're not all as bold as you are!  Still, all this talk about tiny suits on SoBe makes me anxious to get back there.  Maybe a day trip from Naples, where we're spending the month of January.  The beach here is fantastic and my buns are quickly turning bronze, but in the local conservative climate I haven't ventured beyond my black Muscleskins classic thong so far.  Though I am thinking of wearing my tan-thru sliding g-string today and see how it goes.  On SoBe I'd be in my spaghetti-cord sliding sock jock cinched up real tight, the most revealing suit I brought.  Wish I'd brought some of my others, to give you a run for the money strolling on SoBe!

That aside, I can understand JC2162's reluctance to parade around in his tear drop.  Sort of like here when I declined my wife's invitation to stroll up the beach yesterday.  I'd be damned if I'd pull on my coverup trunks, to look like all the other old gray hairs.  Yet my bare buns felt too over the top.  It's one thing to spend your day sunning and swimming parked in one place -- the crowds stare, but you're not in their face, while those around you have gotten used to your attire and are okay with it.  

But thonging here is starting to feel very comfortable, so I'll likely accept her invitation next time.  My thong is starting to feel like merely another style of speedo, albeit briefer, and totally acceptable.  And totally okay with the Beach Patrol, who drove by yesterday only 5 feet away as I lay face down sunning my buns -- never slowed down.

Still, Sobe would be a fantastic break, for a walk truly on the wild side!
JC2162 #405

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/10/2012 01:55:52Copy HTML

Thanks Bmicro for the advice!  I probably should have just worn the teardrop on my walk and trips to the water.  I generally wear a Muscleskins poser thong with 1/2" sides and narrow pouch, so I have some very visible tanlines.  I have worn one of three posers since early last year.  The poser tanlines clearly standout when I wear the teardrop.  I need to get more sun to erase the tanlines.  Its not a good enough excuse though.  I have saw you confidently walking along the water at SoBe in just a cage with g-string back the last time that I was there.  I need to build up to the confidence level that you have.  I hope to see more thongers at SoBe.  It's a great beach.
SlidingG #406

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/14/2012 04:11:15Copy HTML

Interesting comments about your poser tanlines showing when wearing your teardrop, JC2162, in light of the very strong thong tanlines I've got now from the moderate thongs I've been wearing on Naples beach these last couple weeks.  I plan to head over to SoBe soon for a good dose of stringing soon, and my g-string looks a bit odd in the mirror with the elastic strings and tiny pouch of my g contrasting with all that white skin.  But I don't care, and really look forward to taking a stroll along water's edge, as you and bmicro do.  

Since brief gear is common at SoBe, I'll be a lot more comfortable walkling there than here in conservative Naples, where I do it only returning to my towel after a long swim.  I figure my cap and goggles give the appearance of 'serious swimmer', and that makes it okay in folks' eyes. SoBe will be such a refreshing change of pace.
tback32 #407

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/19/2012 08:11:23Copy HTML

Finally had a chance to get back to Sobe yesterday... I walked the beach from 3rd St. to 15th St. and did not see a single male thonger. There were a bunch of speedos and a couple of small bikinis on the guys, lots of girls in rios and maybe 10 women in true thong or g's... I set up around 13th St. just north of the gay section and got up the nerve to take off my shorts and strip down to a muscleskins thong. A 3/4" DSO wide front, sport back thong, in marine with royal waistband and a white drawstring. Pretty conservative for a thong.... I definitely got a few double takes right away, but a bunch of latinas came down and setup nearby all wearing g's or tiny thongs, so they took most of the attention away from me... I'm not real impressed with Sobe. A lot of gawkers and big crowds even on a weekday... One gawker set up about ten feet behind the girls and stared straight at their backsides for two-three hours until they got up and left... I definitely did not feel as comfortable thonging as I have on other beaches before. That said I'll probably head back this Sat. and/or Sun. If anyone else is around don't hesitate to say hi!

Chris
xmach1x #408

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/22/2012 12:34:19Copy HTML

 tback I have experienced that too. When I lived in South Florida, I noticed that when I was laying on South Beach in a thong or speedo the attractive woman who would go topless or who also had thongs on would set up close to me. Maybe they thought I was gay or just felt more comfortable around me since I was in a thong or speedo too? I still prefer to thong on Haulover Beach over South Beach...just more comfortable for me. I'm a young, attractive 25 year old male and notice when I thong on South Beach I get a lot of looks...mostly people looking at my bulge since I'm pretty well endowed. Don't know if I should take that in a good way or bad way.
xmach1x #409

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/27/2012 11:23:20Copy HTML

 I just booked a trip! Will be staying in Hollywood Thursday Feb 2nd-7th. I plan on prob alternating thonging, some days at Haulover (which I'll go nude after I get a tan-line) and I might finally be brave enough to try a thong on South Beach! Can't wait. If their is any female or male on here that wants to join me let me know!
What do you guys recommend as the best street to thong near? When I lived down there I used to stay close to 12th street when I wore speedos since they seemed more in place with 12th street being gay. This year I think I have enough courage to thong on South Beach though. I'm an attractive 25 year old male if that helps.
bmicro #410

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/28/2012 09:08:57Copy HTML

I have found that the area between 14th and about 24th is the most cosmopolitan, although thongs are no problem anywhere on Miami Beach.
stanpuppy #411

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/28/2012 11:58:05Copy HTML

Although bmicro is the resident south beach expert, I want to add my endorsement of his recommendation.   Wife and i always stay at one of the hotels north of 12th (National, Delano, Loews, etc.).  We go right out the back door of the hotel gate onto the beach area.  I am always in a muscleskins poser thong and wife is in either a malibu strings or wicked weasel g-string with no top.  (If it is a weasel, it is the microminimus 457.  If it is malibu strings, it is their crystal backed teardrop "kimmy" bottom......each one is the smallest bottom in the entire product line).   We NEVER have any problems whatsoever.  This section of the beach is either well off americans or european tourists.  Granted some may not share our taste in swimwear, as evidenced by their choice of dork shorts and one piece tanks, but we have also been joined by a litinay of micro suit wearers there... Although I have never run into another male thonger, there have been plenty of speedo bikinis and tight square cut suits around us.  Wife has had tons of topless company and more than a fair share of thong bottoms.   You can pretty much count on a quiet, sedate time with no hassles whatsoever.   We have found (and micro may offer an opinion to the counter as he has much more experience) that once you go south of 12th into the Lummus park area you get alot more Miami locals.  The vibe there seems less in favor of micro suits (at least for men.....for women, there is total tolerance for thong/topless anywhere).   As an attractive 25 year old male, you will have no problem north of 12th.  I am a moderately attractive almost 50 year old male, and I get alot of positive attention when I am in that locale, I can only imagine if I was 25 years younger!!!
xmach1x #412

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:01/29/2012 01:03:21Copy HTML

 Thanks guys! Can't wait. I've only worn thongs on Haulover and speedos on South beach, so this will be my first time in a thong on South Beach! I plan to get to the beach very early and set up, that way people who don't care I'm wearing a thong will have the option to set up near me. 
sailor250 #413

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:02/04/2012 07:38:08Copy HTML

Had the opportunity to get to South Beach again for several days in Jan.  The weather was great.

Some updated observations from walking 5th thru 24th streets a few times on different days. 

First off had saw only a few other guys in thongs and no g strings on guys other than mine. 

Secondly the bare bottom bikini designs-- more than tanga, maybe more than a rio-- are taking over- I'd say at least 60% of women are wearing them up from 40% last year.  Amazing to see some middle age mums with the bums half out.  This may be the beginnings of the return of thongs proper for women!

Thirdly the number of chicks in thongs is about stable over the last 2-3 years.

Fourthly the number of topless chicks is down- topless older women is steady, topless in bikini more likely than in thong.

Fifth the chicks you do see in G strings proper and topless are hotternhell!  Each day I'd see 3-5 and they were literally 9-10's.

The number of photos taken of me walking was still amazing- every block several people shooting!  I was stopped several times a day requests for photos.  The funniest was a chick in a tiny brazilian bikini that I passed going one way, a few minutes later runs past me going the other way, then goes up into the lounge chairs and fetchs her camera and her hot female friend and they walk down to me and ask for photos.  I was wearing a Dore verylow thong V string and some might know how they creep down and expose some root.  Well the one chick takes a photo of me standing with her friend with our arms around each other, then after snapping she bends down while standing there, lifts her glasses and looks right at my suit.  The running girl then grabs the camera, the second girl hops beside me puts her arm around me and the running girl then bends over and takes a closeup of my front.  I looked down and about half inch of my tanned root was exposed. She said WOW and they turned looked at the camera display and smiled and started walking back to their chair.

BeachLover007 #414

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:03/01/2012 11:52:46Copy HTML

 Went out to SoBe today in my flame skinny side thong from skinzwear.  Although I didn't see any other guys in thongs, there were probably about 4 or 5 women I saw in thongs and 2 of them were going topless.  They were an 8 and a 10 in looks.  Felt good to dip in the water a couple times.
ADKthong #415

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:03/20/2012 01:43:23Copy HTML

 My wife and I are in Miami Beach this week.  You guys on the blog say it is the best thonging beach this side of St Martin and I totally agree.  Our hotel is on 37th St so we have not gotten down to the heart of So Be yet but will be there tomorrow.  Today I walked from 37th to about 17th in a Skinz Stuff It G-string with nothing but admiring glances from the ladies and a couple of giggles from guys not confident enough to wear anything but dork shorts.  No other guys in thongs but about 20% thongs and 10% topless for the ladies; maximum eye candy.  It should be interesting tomorrow.
JM_Runs #416

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:05/08/2012 03:40:05Copy HTML

I lived for several years in Wellington, FL, before I had to return to the Midwest (don't ask).  Hoping to return to SoFL in a couple of years when the family situation changes again.  Anyway ... in my time there, we visited both Haulover and SoBe.  Love both places, but never tried to thong in SoBe because to be honest, Haulover was both closer and didn't require ANY suit.  Also Haulover doesn't require you to feed a meter all day long.  Now, here's the question.  Given that Haulover is available, why choose SoBe?  I mean, sure, if Haulover wasn't available then I'd totally be on SoBe thonging with you, but it IS available, so why SoBe?  Is it just more convenient for you?  Better for people-watching?  Or just better for being watched?
sailor250 #417

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:05/08/2012 10:55:17Copy HTML

I've had the same choice before too- comes down to a couple of things-

South Beach has better people watching- more people and some of the hottest chicks in the world together in the same place.  Haulover females are few and much older though some take care of themselves (GILF? is that a term) many are body acceptance types (that's body exception to me)

And at Haulover being nude or in exposure suit just isn't as exciting as being the one wearing the least clothes of any male or female.

Lesser factors include being able to walk from hotel, more food choices..

BTW just find a parking garage on Collins or Washington and for $15-$20 your car isn't a worry- no meters.
bmicro #418

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:05/08/2012 07:04:31Copy HTML

I'm with sailor 250. Of course, the additional factor for me is that I can walk to the beach at SoBe and have to drive (or take a scooter, bike, or bus) to Haulover. For many out of towners, the accomodations, restaurants, and nightlife are so much better in SoBe than the Haulover area. SoBe is not a small, set aside area where you must change your mode of dress (or undress) if you venture out of it, like Haulover is.
Thus, for me, the question is - Given SoBe, why Haulover?
shavedboy #419

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:05/09/2012 12:21:09Copy HTML

bmicro:

My last two trips to Haulover were November 2011 and February 2012.  I've been to south beach exactly once, about 12 years ago.  On my last trip to Haulover, I spent one whole day at the nude beach, though I did put my g-string on and took a long(ish) walk north out of the nude section.  On my second day at Haulover (for that trip) I got to the beach at about 10 AM and planned to stay until 5 PM. 

About 2, I decided to drive to SoBe and spend the rest of the afternoon there in one of my (ebay "Slinky Swimwear) crochet g-strings.  (bmicro: THANKS for the recommendation, she does GREAT work at a reasonable price.)  I was also hoping I might run into you and get one of your famous "photos of friends" on the beach. 

I got down to the SoBe area and drove around for quite a while looking for a parking spot.  NONE to be had except several blocks from the beach park.  (My 12 years ago trip, I parked just off Collins Avenue somewhere around 1st or 2nd and fed the meter a couple bucks.)  I got so frustrated looking for parking, I just bagged it and drove home to the west coast.  I guess you live near SoBe, do you have parking advice?


sailor250 #420

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:05/09/2012 12:45:20Copy HTML

There's a garage in 11th st. block of Collins right around the corner from the beach that offers I think $20 all day parking which would be cheaper than meters and no worries.  Pelican Garage is the name- used for hotels and everyone.
bmicro #421

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:05/10/2012 05:27:13Copy HTML

There are both city and commercial garages all over. The city garages typically are cheaper and charge $1.00 per hour with a max of $20. Weekends and special events are $15 flat rate. There is one located at 7th and Collins, 12th and Drexel, 13th and Collins,16th between Collins and Washington. If all else fails, the garage on 17th st across from the convention center is huge!
Finding on-street parking is a study in frustration, particularly on a  nice day. Glad that you liked Slinky Swimwear!
sailor250 #422

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/11/2012 10:45:53Copy HTML

she's not a trouble maker?

http://www.wsvn.com/features/articles/helpmehoward/MI95343/topless-on-the-beach/

Elie's $2 in parking meter
South American tourism $200 million
enough said!
lindros #423

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/11/2012 01:45:30Copy HTML

I searched the city of Miami municipal code and can't find any references to public nudity:
http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10933

So next I searched the Miami/Dade county ordinances and couldn't find any references to public nudity:
http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10620

So that only leaves state law, which only prohibits display of sexual organs (ie., genitals) or being fully naked. I would not consider breasts to be sex organs. Moreover, the Florida state supreme court also ruled in case law that the nudity must be accompanied by lewd or lascivious behavior, and that proof of mere nudity by itself is not enough to obtain a conviction:
http://sffb.com/govt.html

So I don't know where Howard & Elie are getting their information that topless sunbathing is illegal in Miami.
Maxtlatl #424

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/11/2012 06:20:52Copy HTML

 Toplessness is "illegal" under Florida's disorderly conduct statute (and a ridiculously stupid court decision). You can see it (Moffett v. State) here: http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=10838556137734684061

The thing is, I don't think that toplessness on Miami Beach can any longer be said to "outrage the sense of public decency", except for the kind of crazy old lady in this story.
JM_Runs #425

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/11/2012 07:05:35Copy HTML

I posted this on the WSVN website comments page:

When Elie was a kid she went to the beach.  It was topless then, but she did not notice because, unless you teach a kid to worry about such things, kids don't care. The fake worry that kids seeing a topless women will lead them to a life of sin is a canard. Let's be honest: If you don't like something then say so, don't dress the argument in 'protecting the innocent eyes of kids'.  Given the choice, most kids would run around naked if only their parents allowed.

There are thousands of beaches in the USA where the prudes have implemented rules against being topless. If you feel that strongly then visit those beaches. On the other hand Miami gets a lot of tourist business from other cities simply because the women from Europe want a vacation beach where they can go topless. That women can go topless without fear is one of the attractions for women from all over the US and beyond.

In this modern day and age, going topless at the beach is a personal freedom that every women should have. If you don't like the style look somewhere else, or better yet, live somewhere else. Not all of America has to look like Wichita.

We are not paid to be backround actors in your life, time to stop giving others stage directions.

I hope others will also post intelligent comments as followup on the news website.


JM_Runs #426

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/11/2012 07:24:53Copy HTML

Maxtlatl - You are correct in Moffett v. State still being a controlling president. 

I do think the dissenting opinion was a better legal analysis and I hope this case is overturned at some point.  Maybe we need a governor who likes topless or who does not think it is governments job to regulate peoples personal choice in swimsuits.

lindros - RE city codes, good research.  I do like it when people look stuff up instead of just expressing beliefs.

Unfortunately the coastal beaches in Miami, like the beach people call 'South Beach', are not in the 'City of Miami'.  It is in the 'City of Miami Beach'.  Different municipality. 

'The City of Miami' is on the main land. It has no coastal beaches.  To reach the coastal beaches you have to drive over one of the bridges that cross the upper part of Biscayne Bay, and then you set down in the separate municipality, the 'City of Miami Beach'.

To confuse things further,  The County, Dade County, has renamed it's self to "Miami-Dade" in a re-branding effort, so the entire county can bask in the glory of Miami, which in turn gets positive reputation from the beaches located across the bay in the City of Miami Beach.

All - I believe going topless is fine on all beaches in Miami-Dade from the Broward County Line south to South Beach.  That is most of the coastal Beaches.  South of that there are some issues in some locations, the private island of Fisher Island and the Bill bill Baggs State Park on Key Biscayne. 

The conservative Florida State Parks, run from 400 miles away, by the Republican controlled state government in Tallahassee FL, do not allow topless or thonging at any State Park.
lindros #427

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/12/2012 03:51:36Copy HTML

Thanks for the info regarding the Moffet vs. State disorderly conduct decision. I also like the analysis from the dissenting judge, but of course I'm biased.

However, regarding the disorderly conduct law, what's to prevent the police from applying that law to people wearing thongs?

Maxtlatl #428

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/12/2012 04:13:28Copy HTML

 @JM_Runs: While I am not fond of the Republican legislators, you cannot really blame the State Park thing on them (aside from blaming them for not fixing it). It has been that way a long time. Here is McGuire v. State, http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=7066641000553959028 which basically reiterated the Moffett decision for the State Parks. Again, it uses completely stupid and ambiguous language that the court somehow says is not vague: "All bathing costumes shall conform to commonly accepted standards at all times."

The only hope would be that "commonly accepted standards" might eventually be recognized to include topless.

And this kind of answers lindros' question about thongs. Are thongs commonly accepted? But even then, it all just depends on the whim of the judges that hear any case.

Just look at what they did in Frandsen v. County of Brevard, http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=15120765222662787239

Florida had just passed a women's equal rights amendment. You'd think that would provide a basis for legalizing topfree throughout the state. Nope. The court just cited Moffett and McGuire (which predated the amendment) and said, tough.
JM_Runs #429

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/12/2012 05:03:10Copy HTML

 In Frandsen v. County of Brevard the 5th setup a strawman, Article I section 2 of the Florida Constitution, then set about an argument attempting to avoid the literal meaning of the clear and UN-ambigious language in that article.  While at the same time outlining but failing to address the bigger issue of if the legislation advances any identifiable `important governmental objectives'. 

I think the 5th's legal reasoning suggesting that people not named in the last sentence are not protected groups, when the first explicitly says "All natural persons, female and male alike, are equal before the law and have inalienable rights" is like saying it is ok to discriminate against black people when hiring because the last sentence only covers rights and a job is not a right. It is reading between the lines and splitting hairs to find distinctions which were not intended and that should not exist.

I would hope some of the other DCAs' have more sense. Miami in the 3rd DCA.  For those of you who have no clue what that means, Florida has one set of state statutes, but the interpenetration varies by which of the regional District Courts of Appeal control that part of the state. 
lindros #430

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/12/2012 05:45:49Copy HTML

I did more research on the disorderly conduct statute 877.03 in Florida. There are three essential elements that need to be met before an arrest is made. One is that there must be an actual complainant who is a member of the general public. A police officer can not be the complainant (Harbin v. State, 1978). Two, the complainant can't be anonymous or just handing out tips to the police. The accuser must appear in court (Sosnow v. State, 1999). Third, there must be more than mere annoyance to constitute a crime under 877.03 (Gonzales v. State, 1973).

My problem with this statute is if a woman is sunbathing topless and there are 50 people around who don't object and aren't morally outraged, but there is one person who is offended then why should the "morals" of the one complainant take precedent over the other 50 people who were there?
sailor250 #431

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/12/2012 10:13:39Copy HTML

thanks for posting the comment JM.

Looks like the comments are about 20 to 1 in favor of letting topless be topless.  There's one other crusader who's speaking up but getting rebutted- no pun there, this is a tit for tatt- OK that was a pun- hey that would be fun!  Go topless to promote a Tattoo parlor- I've got to get on that idea!

Seriously other than stirring up dust this is good for channel 7's ratings.  Oh no next will be Haulover Beach.
Maxtlatl #432

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/12/2012 12:33:59Copy HTML

 I agree with both JM_Runs' and lindros' thoughts/analyses on these laws. Many folks complain about "judicial activism" regarding other stuff, but this is the real judicial activism, where the judges let their prejudices overcome the clear language of the statutes (or amendments).

JM: regarding other Courts of Appeals, unless somebody is willing to fight with a court case (which takes a lot of time and money!), things remain as they are.
Fulltimethonger #433

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/12/2012 08:32:39Copy HTML

anyone going to sobe tomorrow? I've never been there thonging yet and I was going to try it out. I've been to haulover before and it was good but curious about sobe.
bmicro #434

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/16/2012 09:20:10Copy HTML

Maxlatl,

The Florida State Park rule is a fixture of the Florida Administrative Code and has nothing to do with "judicial activism". The legislature is directly to blame.

This is from the FAC that pertains ONLY to State Parks

Florida Administrative Code rule 62D-2.014, (7)Bathing and Swimming.(a)No individual shall swim, bathe, or wade in any waters at such placesdesignated as prohibited for such activity by the Division. All such activitiesshall be in compliance with this chapter.(b)In every area of a park including bathing areas no individual shall expose thehuman, male or female genitals, pubic area, the entire buttocks or femalebreast below the top of the nipple, with less than a fully opaque covering.

Painfully clear.
lindros #435

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/17/2012 03:27:21Copy HTML

The judicial activism in Max's post is not in regard to the rules regarding state parks, as South Beach is not a state park. Rather it's in regard to a particular state statute (i.e., disorderly conduct statute 877.03) which is used to arrest topless women at beaches which are not state parks.
JM_Runs #436

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/17/2012 05:53:17Copy HTML

You are both right.  It was the Republicans who pushed for the State Park Administrative Code ban on thongs and topless in parks (A rule). It was a court who did a legal contortion to bring topless and thongs under the disorderly conduct statute, since there was already a statute on total nudity, and any statute should be read with strict construction, what it actually says, and not anything to anyone who wants to extend it's meaning.

Maxtlatl #437

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/17/2012 02:23:16Copy HTML

 Oops. I'd forgotten that it was also encoded in the Administrative Code. My emphasis was on the 2 court rulings that took very general language ("commonly accepted standards") and then let that mean whatever the judges wanted.
JM_Runs #438

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/27/2012 11:16:27Copy HTML

 What is it like at the gay beach at 12th street?  Is it just men?  Lot's of thongs?  I am planning another South Beach holiday.  I stay at a 14th street hotel.  The gay beach is a short walk.  I never went there.  I wonder if I would feel more comfortable there wearing a G-string?  My wife will be with me but she shops a lot so I have time on my own.  I am not cruising for men but maybe be fun to walk around in a G-string at 12th street?  I am an exhibitionist - male and female admirers are Ok :-)
xmach1x #439

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:06/27/2012 11:47:19Copy HTML

 12th street is mostly gay like you said, but their is also plenty of single males, females even an occasional family mixed in. You are pretty much good anywhere on the beach in a thong or g-string. I used to set up right next to 12th street at 11th....just on edge. Like I said you can thong or g-string anywhere...most the gay guy's are in some type of speedo.
thonglife #440

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/04/2012 04:15:49Copy HTML

Just wanted to share some highlights from our recent trip to SoBe last month. We had been before but at the time, I was a speedo bikini guy, hadn't got into thong swimwear yet while my wife had. Now we both wear thongs as well as bikinis so it was nice to go back.

Our whole visit was hot and sunny each day. We stayed off Collins and 29th and really enjoyed the beach in that area. There were plenty of ladies in thongs each morning and through the day. Occasionally topless as well. My wife wore various WW and MS thongs or g-strings, topless a few times. I wore bulge bikinis mostly but also thongs or gs. I often walked to our room via the boardwalk in just my bikini, many of which are N2N and show my full bulge. My wife always said: "I can see your entire c**k".

I went for a run every morning on the boardwalk by 8am, 4-5 miles and only wore 3" short compression shorts with a visible thong underneath, shoes and socks. I loved how lady (and some male) runners were very willing to eyeball my legs and package with a smile as I ran by. I found it very encouraging. I was happy to see ladies, mostly very fit wearing very short shorts, buns hanging out also running by. Saw a beautiful brunette, super model looks running in tight sheer white tights with a black thong display underneath.

After my run, I'd hit the beach alone around 9-9:30am and strip to a Skinz g-string, go for a dip and relax on my towel to sun for an hour while my wife slept in. Most of my Skinz gs are sheer but no one around me batted an eye. Usually, couples or single ladies were the only ones out this early on the beach. This was the time of day I saw the most beauties in thongs.

We spent one day on the beach in front of Lummus Park around 13th street. I could see the gay area just south with lots of speedos in view. When we arrived, it was crowded but just a few thonged ladies and no speedo guys were close. She stripped to a MS string thong and I a bulge bikini. Within an hour, half a dozen girls were near us in thongs, a few topless and over a dozen guys in speedos. One guy with his Mrs in front of us actually left the beach in board shorts and returned in a speedo. I thought that was cool. I walked to the park bathrooms in just my bikini a few times and all the way to the store near Starbucks for beer with just a pair of sheer Aussiebum 2" shorts on as a cover-up. I honestly felt I could have thonged in this area, surrounded by people with no issue.

Our late afternoons were spent sunning and swimming on the beach near our room. This is when I would wear a thong and my wife went totally topfree. There was usually other couples or duos of girls all around us. I often noticed ladies glancing our way often. Again, very encouraging.

Neither of us ever had a negative experience. Was a great trip. More on our day at Haulover soon.




JM_Runs #441

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/07/2012 03:46:22Copy HTML

   I just got back from a little getaway over July 4th, and had myself a great time. Did 2 days on Sobe, and 1 day at Haulover. I lost count of the girls I saw on the beach and walking the sidewalk in thongs, and many tanned top free. Lots of guys in ( very brief ) speedos, but I was the only male in a thong that I saw. I got to wear my new red/white/blue themed suit I got at Buffedbod.com ( quality stuff, just plan your order at least 6 weeks in advance ) and it was great.   

  My 1st day was the 4th of July and the beach was CROWDED. I met a couple girls the night before who stayed at a place that offered chairs and umbrellas near 11th St. as part of their room, and they offered shared one with me. When I first dropped my shorts to reveal what I was wearing, their eyes got wide and one offered a “Woo Hooo…….!” that was easily heard by all who was around. The area around us filled in quickly, with mostly couples and pairs of girlfriends hanging out. Every time I picked my head up, someone was looking my way, and I saw a few camera phones in hand. The real downside was that it was SO crowded that walking to the water was difficult with out stepping on someone, but on the way out some of the girls ( and guys who I’m guessing were gay ) would offer a coy smirk, some boyfriends viewed me like a car wreak ( they were dismayed, but yet couldn’t look away )      

  My 2nd day I took the bus up to Haulover. It was much more relaxed, but there many more men then women ( most nude ) Also there were on-and-off periods of rain which at times was actually a welcomed relief from the heat. It took me a while to find a spot I was comfortable, so I walked up and down the shore a couple times. There was a group of 5 big black ladies hanging in the water who sang “God Bless America” my last time by them. I took it as a compliment, and gave them a smile :)  Eventually the weather cleared and I settled by lifeguard chair 15. As it got busier, some very attractive women set up close by and tanned nude.   

  My 3rd day I went back on Sobe early and got myself a spot close to the water. I was down around 8th street near a lifeguard tower. Early on a couple families were nearby, but they went in when it got hotter. Then some guy couples set up within view, but as it got busier I was surrounded by girls and older women. A few removed their tops, and one wore a purple thong. Then, 4 older local Latinas were coming down to set up as I was walking out of the water, and one was defiantly not shy about her approval. “You look like Magic Mike!” We chatted a bit and they invited me to lunch, but I had to pack up to catch my plane.    

  I stayed at The Haddon Hall at 15th and Collins. If you want luxury accommodations and amenities, this is not the place to stay. If you want something more affordable close to the heart of South Beach action, it's an option to consider...
xmach1x #442

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/10/2012 11:29:10Copy HTML

I recently got back from a trip from South Florida. I didn't  make my way down to South Beach at all, but I spent every day on Haulover beach, including July 4th which was packed. The good news is, it looks like thongs are making a comeback. The last two reports above me express A LOT of thongs on South Beach. On Haulover, I lost count of how many thongs I saw on females and guy's, there were a TON. So that is good news. I'd give my Haulover trip report but the thread seems to have disappeared? 
kohler1977 #443

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/10/2012 10:11:18Copy HTML

Thongs at Haulover what is the point.
BeachLover007 #444

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/11/2012 06:26:08Copy HTML

 Because some people prefer to wear thongs to being naked.
sailor250 #445

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/11/2012 01:11:22Copy HTML

Wearing thongs at Haulover makes you stand out in the crowd, as much as wearing them on South Beach.

I enjoy wearing some otherwise illegal thong styles in the clothing optional venue.

Have seen other guys and women doing the same- such as single strings on women.
JM_Runs #446

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/13/2012 06:10:07Copy HTML

I'm staying in North Miami beach around 75th street for a week.  Since we drove in and have to deal with parking issues, it's necessary for me to remove my vehicle for couple of hours in the morning so I can then come back and pay for the entire day at once.  These parking meters in this area are $1.00/hr and they are enforced from 8 am to 6 pm, and they don't permit you to pay for more than 8 hours at once.  Thus, I try to go for a run, swim, etc. and then get back around 10 am and grab some late breakfast or early lunch with my wife and kids.  The meters further down are not enforced until 9 am, so I can get a free hour or so on South Beach, but I have to be back at my car exactly at 9 am if I want to stay any longer.

This morning, I went running in a Greg Homme thong from roughly 8 - 9, then paid the meter, headed back for another hour and walked along the seaside and swam some as well.  In neither case, did I get any more trouble than some occasional snickers or "look!" from some girls.  No noticeable hatred from anyone in this section of beach.  The other thing that struck me is the early morning crowd of walkers and runners was more covered up and also more inclined to be shocked at see me run past them in a thong.  In my walk by the sea side, I did see just about 3 men and 3 women in thongs, and dozens of guys, both straight and gay, in speedos.

The worst harrassment I got did not come until later when I briefly stopped around 70th street to clean out my car and take a quick look at the beach.  Some guy from somewhere I could not see screamed "Put some clothes on PERVERT!".  I looked all around and could not see where he was.  Perhaps sitting around in some high-rise building.  This suggests to me this guy and perhaps a few other hard core right-winger loud mouths like him live in this area and are doing everything possible to put a stop to men wearing thongs on/near the beach.  However, they're in the minority.  The majority here do not wear thongs, but most don't care if you do or not either.  This is the worst slur I've ever heard directed at me while wearing a thong.  I am quite used to being called "faggot", which I find irritating, but "pervert" is the worst of all because it means he equates me with people like Jerry Sandusky and Jeffry Dahmer. 

As I've said in the past, I fear that what we are seeing is not mere changing fashion trends, but a decline of anglo civilization in almost every respect.  People have forgotten the basics and how to behave like a gentleman, recognizing that few things and issues in this world are worth risking fights, death, and/or injury.  They have forgotton that actions matter more than words, and that what one wears or does not wear matters even less because it cannot possibly infringe upon their freedom.  There are plenty of popular songs about doing the right things and acting the right ways, practicing a live and let-live attitude, but the problem is that too few actually put it into practice.  More than anything, people have forgotten the importance of showing respect to others.  The British used to do quite well at this, but not so much anymore.  The culture, as a whole, is becoming more and more predatory like a shark tank, and despite its reputation for thong tolerance, Miami is no exception.

Anyway, I've not spent a lot of time yet on North Miami's actual beach, but we'll see how that is later.  
thonger2005 #447

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/13/2012 06:53:07Copy HTML

 Folks, how is the thongin and topless in the area of Lummus park and Mangos?

Lots of?

Moderate?

very little?

We will be coming down next month. Will probably be at Haulover more during the day but might hit the regular section is something alittle risque and something like what bmicro wears.
JM_Runs #448

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/13/2012 08:35:42Copy HTML

Not to make this political, but I take exception to the "Right Winger" stereo typing that comes up from time to time here. I have never had so much grief for thonging as I have here in the northeast ( to the point that I won't in public very much at all ) and this area is dominated by liberal democrat ideolgy at all levels. They preach tolerance and open-mindedness, but only if you agree with them. I consider myself to be a centrist, but around here being in the middle puts you "to the right" of most. I avoid political ( and religous ) conversations at all cost, but when they arise I am often left saying "I am NOT the one who is extreme, YOU are..."

  Intolerence is Intolerance. It has many faces, and comes in many forms. Don't become that which you disparage.

thonger2005 On my recent Sobe trip over July 4th I was in the area of the beach you describe. I was the only male I saw in a thong, but I stay close to my towel and don't walk around much. Just in my field of view I saw at least a half dozen or so women topless, in a thong, or both. You should be fine...
JM_Runs #449

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/13/2012 09:09:55Copy HTML

luv2bfitt:  The primary groups which cause us grief for wearing thongs on public beaches, who would impose their beliefs on others tend to be the social and religious conservatives, or the people who hate any men in thongs. Since this harrassment in north Miami Beach came from a male, I was assuming that he was of the former group, either that, or he's just an obnoxious thug.
bmicro #450

Re:South Beach, Beach Miami, Florida FL. ( SoBe )

Date Posted:07/13/2012 09:55:07Copy HTML

nospam, I believe that your last sentence is correct. The only person who has made a comment like that directly to me was a homeless (and somewhat crazy) man who wanted to use the same public shower as I was using at the time. I have never had someone from some religious group say anything to me. I have heard from the lifeguards that some religious fanatics, like Elie (see above) have complained to them, but their typical response is "but this is South Beach, sir".
thonger, 2005, A along the  Lummus Park area and North to about 30th st (or even further) the distribution varies more day by day than by geographic location. You will be fine and have a great time anywhere on Miami Beach!  Happy thonging!
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