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mrhb2008 #351

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:08/29/2013 03:29:39Copy HTML

 I was out there as well from about 11:30 until 2:30.  Must have just missed you.  I did see another male is a thong up closer to the houses rather than down by the water.  Nice quiet day & got even more brown!  I have always wanted to walk the strand and I think I'll finally do it either today or tomorow if the weather holds, and it appears that it will.  I want to up my exposure to the public and get more daring & out of my comfort zone.  Thoughts?
mrhb2008 #352

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:08/30/2013 09:51:11Copy HTML

 Well.  I did it.  I walked the Venice Strand in a thong!  It wasn't as nerve racking as I expected.  I believe that because, on the beach walk I stepped on a sand mine AKA a big glob of tar that is prevalent on LA county beaches in the summer.  After getting to the Strand, I did my best to scrape the tar off on the street and curb.  I then proceeded to walk a short distance along the vendors and stores.  Only one person had a reaction & it wasn't entirely negative.  I guess that after over a decade of thonging in public, it was just buisness as usual.  I will do it again in the future & wear something more skimpy.  I wore a Parr black thong which is the most "conservative" thong that I own.  Next time, G string!!!
armand_galleon #353

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:08/31/2013 01:03:53Copy HTML

 go rollerblading, that's a lot of fun! Marina to Santa Monica Pier and beyond!
32189 #354

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:08/31/2013 02:57:27Copy HTML

Awesome mrhb.  Way to work up the courage to do that!
mrhb2008 #355

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:08/31/2013 05:43:04Copy HTML

 Armand,  I gave up the blades a long time ago.  Altho that would be and interesting trek!  Thanks 32189!
Cockringgstring #356

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/22/2013 07:35:38Copy HTML

 Awesome weather  at MDR now. Only few beach goers. Getting to work on my tan line after few weeks it was starting to fade. 
thong_jock #357

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/26/2013 03:03:28Copy HTML

 I was there on Tuesday. Could not ask for more perfect weather. We set up just south of Ketch Tower. I wore my royal blue Muscleskins and my partner wore a royal blue Waveline bikini. Another guy thonger set up a hundred yards or so south of us toward privateer. He was in a tiny black g-string. I walked the beach and swam in my thong. Walked by the other thonger but he didn't acknowledge me. I walked by another guy in a squarecut who had an @@@@@@ in his suit. He kept flexing it as I walked by in my thong. He wasn't my type though.
Dipster733 #358

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/07/2013 06:31:27Copy HTML

I went out there yesterday and it was a gorgeous day! It was warm, but not super hot with a slight breeze. Miaswim and I set up a bit further south, toward the privateer tower. There was a guy in a multicolored gstring with his wife about 25m from us. It was a bit busy on the beach, but plenty of room. I wore a black muscleskins poser all day. I walked south past the bird sanctuary to the bathroom without any problems. I did pass 2 seperate guys (one in a blue skinz gstrings and the other was in yellow gstring) and on guy in a black thong. It was a great day out there!
azcana #359

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/07/2013 07:21:51Copy HTML

It sounds like weekends are best to thong at the Marina Area and you won't be the only one enjoying the sun is a small suit. I been there myself during weekdays this past month in my muscleskins thongs, but did not see anyone else out there. I did take trips down to restrooms to enjoy the view and warm days. I will try to join the weekend crowd on my next trip.
azcana #360

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/16/2013 03:05:14Copy HTML

 It was nice and warm today at MDR I was at the south section of the beach around 1 pm wearing my royal blue muscleskins thong. I did not see anyone else today, but it was quiet and relaxing.
boyjoy12345 #361

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/10/2014 06:31:48Copy HTML

I was out there in April for less than two hours and you can still make out my tan lines. What's longest your tan has lasted
mrhb2008 #362

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:03/20/2014 04:23:16Copy HTML

 Not Venice, but I went for a surf at El Porto yesterday AM and then drove down to the Hermosa/Manhatten border to get some sun.  Was a perfect day on the beach.  Very few people on the sand and I wore a Jovana 4D.  After tanning the front side for about a half an hour, I stood up to spray some oil on my back side.  I looked up and 2 women on the Strand gave me a wave.  I waved back and saw the smile on their faces.  It was good to be acknowledged positively!
azcana #363

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:06/21/2014 09:42:08Copy HTML

 Made it MDR on Wed jun 6/18 It was a great warm day I wore a 3/8" sides micro thong in red from muscle skins. I had the chance to stay for a couple of hours and work on a tan. I did not see anyone, but hopefully next time I wont be the only one...
mrhb2008 #364

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:08/05/2014 02:19:46Copy HTML

 Great day at MDR yesterday.  Wore an old yellow Jovana 4D and got some serious sun.  Didn't see anyone else in a thong, but a couple set up abut 20 yards from me and after I woke up from sunning my buns, she was changing out of her bikini bottoms into a thong.  I'm guessing she was "thongspired" by me and decided to lay out bum up in her thong and topfree!  Her BF was all over her, which was funny, because when I see that, I see a man who is afraid of the bird flying way.  Heading back over there today after a surf, so if you see me, send a wave!
mrhb2008 #365

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/01/2014 03:19:53Copy HTML

 Saturday was in Venice for the Jay Adams Memorial Paddle out with a friend.  I told him about my visit the previous weekend and how I walked the length of the beach in a thong and he admired my bravery.  Not 5 minutes later a jogger in a green thong was running down the beach and he asked, "Is that like the kind you wear?"  I said, "Yup".  Wondering if that runner was a board member.
azcana #366

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/14/2014 10:23:24Copy HTML

 I made to the MDR beach area on Wed. Had a very relaxing time and the beach wasn't too crowded. I wore a black Muscleskins Thong and set up between the privateer and outrigger Towers. During my time around noon to three pm I saw two women in thongs around the privateer tower and another guy in a thong close to the outrigger tower. Just another nice day to lay out and relax. 
onefitbod #367

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/17/2014 02:05:17Copy HTML

I finally made it to MDR beach today and because of street sweep day had a tough time finding parking.  But I finally found a great parking spot and head down to the beach.  I got into a light blue g-string instead of my dark green one because I wanted to make sure it was visible and that I wasn't nude.  It is still a little nerve racking but, I saw, met and spoke with mrhb2008 and although I was still pretty nervous, he made me feel a lot more comfortable.   Thanks mrhb2008!!! l should have asked him to join me, but because I was nervous, I wasn't thinking clearly...  It seemed a lot was going on today, too.  Water was rough so the LAPD and Lifeguards were all over the beach trying to keep people out of the water because of the rough surf.  With LAPD in our vicinity and not caring if we were in our g-strings, it gave me a lot more confidence to wear a g-string at a public beach in Los Angeles.

Anyway, I can't wait to go again... I think I'll go this Saturday around 9am to make sure I get a good parking spot and a good spot on the beach.
onefitbod #368

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/20/2014 09:14:08Copy HTML

 I'm here at MDR ant the sun finally came out at 1:00pm. It's 2 pm now and people started coming. The beach was almost completely empty and as people arrive, it's surprising how many people set up near me. I'm wearing a dark green skimpy g-string too! The beach is still fairly empty with the crowd centered around me... Of course they're all women :)I'll be here until 3pm then pack up and head to the LA County Fair for the evening...
RobinWalker #369

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/21/2014 07:02:09Copy HTML

I'm new to LA.  What is MDR?

ValleyGuy #370

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/22/2014 12:47:46Copy HTML

 MDR = Marina Del Rey, the unincorporated harbor area just south of Venice. MDRs' northern boundary is Washington Blvd.
Many people refer to that portion of Dockweiler State Beach south of Washington Blvd. as Marina Del Rey, though it is actually a part of the Venice neighborhood and politically within the City of Los Angeles.
JM_Runs #371

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/22/2014 03:39:27Copy HTML

Hey, I finally have a day to go to the beach in LA and was thinking about Venice Beach, so I was reading on Venice311.org that posts an ordinance, to-wit:  "No person shall appear, bathe, sunbathe, walk or be in any public park, playground, beach or the waters adjacent thereto, in such a manner that the genitals, vulva, pubis, pubic symphysis, pubic hair, buttock, natal cleft, perineum, anus, anal region, or pubic hair region of any such person, or any portion of the breast at or below the upper edge of the areola thereof of any such female person, is exposed to public view or is not covered by an opaque covering."  This outright makes thongs illegal.  Is this info out of date, widely ignored, or does it just not apply south of Washington?
onefitbod #372

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/22/2014 05:25:54Copy HTML

 I wore a g-string for the 1st time in Venice (Marina Del Rey) beach with another person this past Tuesday.  I was there for about 3 hours and there were LAPD, lifeguards driving right by us many times.  I was curious if they were going to say anything and they didn't even care.  As long as everyone is respectful and enjoying themselves, it's an unofficial rule that it's ok to wear a thong, g-string and even go topless (women) in the Venice Beach area...  Why you ask?  Because a lot of Europeans/South Americans visit Venice/Santa Monica Beach and since they are more forward thinking then most prude Americans, they wear their thongs, g-strings, brazilian bikini bottoms to these places on almost a daily basis... They help drive the economy of these two beach communities...
m2mfun #373

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/22/2014 05:47:35Copy HTML

got a late, late start to the beach today. finally go there about 3pm. not many people at all. surprised because it was such a beautiful day. stripped down to a pink gregg homme boytoy thong. it felt so nice to have the sun warming my butt in that little string. 
JM_Runs #374

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/24/2014 12:18:42Copy HTML

 Made it to the beach today.  Wore  gym shorts until I got down to Ketch  lifeguard station, then got up my nerve to remove them.  Wore my "new Dore" extra low g-string.  Very small suit but in Day-Glo orange so I'm obviously not nude.  Keep in mind that this is basically my first time in a thong in public, so you old pros already know all this but this really is a great beach to thong.  It's very wide, very long, and at least on Tuesday in September, very sparsely populated.  In retrospect, if the summer weekend experience is the same, adding more people wouldn't deter me.  I guess it must just be California, because everyone was cool with my thong.  After park rangers, lifeguards, helicopters, and an assortment of strollers and joggers passed by with no comments AT ALL!!!, I finally relaxed a little and did my best to forget my legality jitters..  Body surfed a little while, then when the world still didn't end, got the urge to roam around.  Walked as far south as Topsail and as far north as Catamaran, which is quite a distance and again, no comments AT ALL.  The worst was a young tourist couple whom I'm pretty sure photographed my backside as I passed them, but even they said nothing I could hear so they weren't all that bad.  Saw no girls in thongs although there were some nice views available.  I saw only one other male thonger, an older guy from Ireland in a black G (seemed a little loose to me!) who said he was afraid of being arrested, but I think we both gave each other some reassurance.  After seeing him, I stopped giving a F about what the world thinks and would have walked all the way to the pier except I know I was getting sunburned.  Body surfing in a G is fun and just being able to walk around and sunbathe in that small a suit is just an incredibly great feeling.
onefitbod #375

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/24/2014 06:06:47Copy HTML

That's really awesome, facelessdrone!  I'll be there tomorrow around 11 or 12 noon to take in some rays in my g-string.  Like you said, it's really a nice feeling to be practically nude and not having to wear board shorts.  Plus, since I'm working on getting leaner to compete in a physique competition in a few months, I want to tan as much of me as possible and doing it in a g-string guarantees that I won't have any tan lines showing :)
sprockettooth #376

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/24/2014 06:17:54Copy HTML

 This is a really great and sincere story of overcoming a sense of vulnerability and concern of judgement.  I wish I was on that beach today.  Bravo!
JM_Runs #377

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/24/2014 04:25:55Copy HTML

 Wish I could go back again today but got to go back to Vegas.  Will be back.  Next time I'll post something in the contacts first.  My wife is even more antsy than I am about me wearing the thong.  If there are others, she too will realize that it's really not that big a deal, at least at the south part of Venice Beach..  The best part of thonging is when you don't feel different from anyone else but you still feel all that sun all over.  ALL over.  And incredibly comfortable, too.
pikeman #378

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/24/2014 05:04:32Copy HTML

 God bless California! Especially Venice Beach.
onefitbod #379

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/25/2014 12:20:24Copy HTML

Yes, really love California and Venice Beach!  Well as I said, I got to the beach at 11:30am. it was fairly empty.  So I planted myself midway between both the Ketch and Privateer lifeguard stations and at the water's edge.... which happened to be a couple feet above the break water (like on a little cliff)...   Anyway, the weather was beautiful it was 77 degrees with a light breeze.  I ended up sunning until 2:30pm. I would turn over every 20 mins to keep from getting burned.   I really enjoy feeling the sun on every inch of my body... it's really energizing.   I'll probably be there again this Saturday, but I'm considering going to Matador Beach up near Malibu.  I heard that's a great place to g-string, too :)  
onefitbod #380

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/28/2014 04:42:51Copy HTML

 Went to Matador Beach today and it was practically deserted!  I went up the beach a few hundred feet and planted myself in a little cove.  I wore my blue g-string and tanned for about 30 mins and 2 women showed up.  They asked me if it was ok for them to get nude and I my response was... "definitely, but only if they wouldn't mind me getting nude!"  They laughed cuz I'm already practically nude... so all three of us tanned in the nude for a couple of hours. No one else showed up and we had a really good time!  Maybe I'll go back tomorrow! :)
onefitbod #381

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:09/29/2014 04:28:00Copy HTML

 Went back to Matador Beach around 1pm and there weren't that many people there.  But one of the women that I tanned with was there :)  Lucky for me, it was the woman I'm actually attracted to.  She wore a white see-though microkini and I wore by light blue g-string.  We went to the same spot we were at yesterday and we had the little cove all to ourselves.  We tanned for about an hour then went into the water to cool off.  Since no one was around, we decided to tan in the nude...  It was really nice to tan in the nude with an attractive woman.  I hope she felt the same way...   After an a couple of hours of tanning in the nude, we decided to pack up and head out.  We decided to have a late lunch at Gladstones in Malibu.  It was a much better day that I had expected... I had a great time :) 
onefitbod #382

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/05/2014 05:05:50Copy HTML

With the high tide this weekend, Matador Beach is under water so I went to MDR today... There was a lot of people there today and I was the only guy with a thong/g-string and there were a few ladies wearing thongs.   I was disappointed being the only guy in a skimpy swim suit...   Anyway, that won't deter me from going back tomorrow :)
onefitbod #383

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/06/2014 01:52:29Copy HTML

 It was a really nice day at Marina Del Rey Beach (Venice Beach) and there were a lot of people today.  I arrived around 10:00am and all the parking was already gone  :(  Around 11:30, fog suddenly rolled in... :(    But, 30 minutes later the fog disappeared!   More people started coming and I was surrounded! LOL...  There were a lot of beautiful girls around and I saw at least 4 women and 1 guy wearing thong swimsuits :)  As much as I wanted to stay longer, I left around 2pm... I didn't want to get fried... Being there for 4 hours was long enough.  Hopefully more thongers will go to the beach... We need as many people wearing them so that it'll begin catching on!!!
m2mfun #384

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/09/2014 03:46:29Copy HTML

 taking this friday off. hope the weather is nice. would love to hang out at the beach in one of my thongs or strings. 
clubthongs #385

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/10/2014 01:28:20Copy HTML

 I have the day off and am thinking of making the drive up to MDR. Any others planning to be there?
nudebob #386

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:10/14/2014 01:20:10Copy HTML

 It's been awhile since I took the time to make it to the beach. Last wed & thurs were perfect days to hang out. Wed was late morning and only a handful of people and thurs afternoon maybe 2 handfuls. But what the heck, I still enjoyed myself. Nothing like being in the warm sun wearing next to nothing. My kind of life.
onefitbod #387

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:11/06/2014 02:45:25Copy HTML

Going to MDR tomorrow around 10:30am to get some much needed sun.  The temp at the beach should be ideal.  I hope other thongers and stringers can join me :)
onefitbod #388

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:11/26/2014 05:01:58Copy HTML

Spent a few hours at MDR today and the weather was awesome.  Hardly anyone was their and believe it or not, I could have laid out completely nude and no one would have noticed. 
m2mfun #389

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:11/27/2014 04:34:05Copy HTML

 going to hit the beach today for a little bit before heading off to dinner and again this weekend since it's expected to be beautiful weather.
JM_Runs #390

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:12/01/2014 03:35:17Copy HTML

Was able to spend a bit of last Friday at Venice Beach. Spent a few hours by Galleon Tower. The beach was relatively quiet and very few people out in less than board shorts. I did compliment a guy in a black speedo for wearing something less than the normal baggy styles. There was also a gentleman wearing a bold string bikini. I wore one of my Muscleskins thongs and enjoyed the unseasonably warm weather. Nothing like getting a tan on the day after Thanksgiving. 
There was also a woman who had the most amazing body wearing a stunning black thong. She was absolute perfection walking down the beach.
Always a fun place to enjoy the sun and people watch. 
Walked down to MDR but didn't have much time to enjoy it further. I was hoping to run into Onefitbod...maybe next time!


JM_Runs #391

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:12/01/2014 03:38:05Copy HTML


I also thonged for 3-4 hours at Malibu the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Not nearly as much fun as Venice. It's definitely not my beach of choice, too small and kind of dirty. I didn't have much choice though. Logistics didn't allow me to travel much further than that for the day.
Cheers!
m2mfun #392

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:12/02/2014 05:51:32Copy HTML

 oh man...I was there on Thursday and Friday about 1pm hanging out in a little yellow Gregg string. both days had absolutely great weather. lucky I got some nice beach time in before it started to cool down on Saturday. didn't see anyone in thongs. damn... would have been nice to meet some others.
Vtan1 #393

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/15/2015 12:48:40Copy HTML

 Looking to go next month in white thong that is completely see through when it gets wet. So I plan on camping back behind a row of women so that I can walk by them coming back from the water. Can't wait for the looks!
Vtan1 #394

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/15/2015 12:50:42Copy HTML


I am going next month in a white thong that is completely see through when it gets wet! So I'll set up a nice row of women to walk past on my way back from the water! The looks I'll get should be amazing!
mack_back #395

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/15/2015 04:04:45Copy HTML

Vtan let us know of their reactions. Did that in my gym pool wearing aqux white briefs with a lining. When wet or in the pool you can make out the color of my skin and entire shape. The reactions i got were at first delight smiles and grins even shocked stares. Afterwards days later hearing woman discussions of me they were confused why i wore white as swimwear and found it not becoming. Others figured later that i must love showing off everything underneath and were angry making comments for anyone to hear that i like to show my penis in sheer swim briefs. Trying to make me out as some perv.
Seen a russian woman with a full figure do the same at the pool. Hearing comments from men about her are funny. Saying she doesn't care if you could see everything underneath. The way they stare or try to say something to her she turns the tables that men are perving learing at her while she swims or walks along the pool deck. Gotta love the double standard to this white sheer rip wearing russian hottie versus me wearing full white aqux low rise briefs with partial mesh inlays. 
What i'm trying to say woman are victims wearing white sheer rio bikinis and men become the harrassers. While me wearing white swimwear that is lined but sheer makes woman uncomfortable thus i'm the perv. Gotta love the irony. 


JM_Runs #396

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/15/2015 06:37:26Copy HTML

 "I am going next month in a white thong that is completely see through when it gets wet! So I'll set up a nice row of women to walk past on my way back from the water! The looks I'll get should be amazing!"Well, if you even encounter anyone at Venice in mid-February, I'd be surprised.  And if you walk into the water, the effect of cold water on your package will not be flattering ...  While I applaud your idea, I think you'd be a lot more successful later in the year.  I went in September last year and I thought the water then was cold as heck.
JM_Runs #397

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/16/2015 05:43:19Copy HTML

 Vtan1 - I see you are a new user who has just registered with the board.  A couple of notes:

This message board is not about flashing.  

As a general rule most people on here think it is an affront to the local and regular thongers on a beach when someone from out of town comes to the beach with the intention of showing off their equipment in a transparent thong.  If you want to do that go to a nude beach. 

Around the world local thongers work hard to cultivate a comfortable and easy relationship with other beach users and local authorities.  There are suits that are appropriate for use on a public beach and suits that should only be use in private, at a proper nude beach or other adult venue. 

Most people, and the legal system, consider a suit like you describe, one that is "completely see through" to be totally inappropriate for a public beach.  Not only do you run the risk of personal arrest, but also causing a further crack down on other regular thongers, because the media rarely make the distinction between levels of opaqueness.  

If you are arrested it will be seen as official condemnation of thongers in general. If not arrested other peach goers will still see you as a perv and paint other thongers with the same prejudice. 


Don't mess up a good venue by being a prick.

If you really have a body worth noticing wear a fully opaque thong proudly and openly.  Take a walk down the beach in a thong with proper legal coverage. Something where you don't feel the need to dive for cover when the beach patrol or police come by.  You will impress more women with real self confidence than by flashing your willy.  
JM_Runs #398

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/16/2015 07:07:42Copy HTML

Sorry, JM, I didn't catch the "flasher" angle.  I was just thinking about wearing the thong on the beach and how *&%^ cold it must be at Venice in February.  I meant to approve only of wearing a legal and appropriate thong on Venice Beach when the weather turns warm.  I totally agree that flashing is INappropriate and wouldn't want you or anybody else to think I approve of it.
Happy_Thonger #399

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/17/2015 06:29:28Copy HTML

 well said JM. 
trapking #400

Re:Venice beach California - - Los Angeles - LA CA

Date Posted:01/18/2015 12:18:58Copy HTML

 My son and I were in LA last week and although it was a little chilly and we did not see any thongers at Venice Beach we saw two nice women up the beach at Santa Monica near the pier. They must have been northerners like us to enjoy the surf and sand when the locals had jackets on. Think spring.
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